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Photons cannot be light and then be traveling faster than speed of light. That's pretty elementary. The idea is that objects which are already moving at the speed of light or greater or those objects which have no mass could easily attain and excede the speed of light.

I thought photons were light. What objects have no mass and/or have a velocity of c?
 
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I thought photons were light. What objects have no mass and/or have a velocity of c?
Photons are light, and that's why Photons cannot travel faster than light, because they themselves are light. Photons have no mass and travel at the speed of light (although I think in different mediums they can be slowed.)

Like someone else mentioned, Tachyons are the particles theorized to possibly exist that can travel faster than the speed of light. They've never been proven, they are just theoretical. The idea is that while Einstein proved that nothing can start below the speed of light and then accelerate up to and past the speed of light, there is no such argument against a particle that is always traveling faster than light- it never at any time was slower than light, so it never had to accelerate up to and past light speed. These are tachyons, theoretical particles that are constantly traveling faster than light and cannot slow down to the speed of light or lower.
 
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Yes, i suppose it could. I cant explain it. But if it was omnipotent it should be able too.
Interesting. It never occurred to you that your definition of omnipotence is wrong?

So, whats youre answer? At first it was Jesus did not always exist, now its his human nature. Im not sure if either is right. Jesus is 100% God, 100% man and always has been(or so i thought). Human nature and everything? Is this wrong?
Do you not understand Christology? Jesus = Son of God (divine nature) + Jesus of Nazareth (human nature). As Jesus of Nazareth did not exist prior to his birth, Jesus did not exist prior to his birth. Since his birth he has been 100% God and 100% man, yes. But the human nature of Jesus is not eternal in the same sense as his divine nature. I think that should clear it up. This point appears to be distracting us from the discussion topic.

Sure. In as much as an intangible concept can be created, yes, God created it. Yes.
The Scriptures say God is love. Did God create himself?

Soli Deo Gloria

Jon
 
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Interesting. It never occurred to you that your definition of omnipotence is wrong?
Or it is not youre definition. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/omnipotence
I dont see youre idea of omnipotence in there.

Omnipotence defintions aside. Do you beleive there are things God cannot do? Not things He will not do rather, but cannot.


Jon said:
Do you not understand Christology? Jesus = Son of God (divine nature) + Jesus of Nazareth (human nature). As Jesus of Nazareth did not exist prior to his birth, Jesus did not exist prior to his birth. Since his birth he has been 100% God and 100% man, yes. But the human nature of Jesus is not eternal in the same sense as his divine nature. I think that should clear it up. This point appears to be distracting us from the discussion topic.
So youre saying that His human nature has not always existed and had a begining and that from now on it will continue to exist? If you feel this is distracting then i will stop asking about it.


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The Scriptures say God is love. Did God create himself?
Something omnipotent could create itself, If thats what youre getting at. It could cease to exist and then remake itself even. Its absurd but it seems "absurdities" are nessecary if something is truly omnipotent(or limitless in power if you prefer). However, God did not make Himself. So no.

Perhaps, created isnt the best word. Conceived works better but even then it doesnt quite fit. Im not sure if there is a word for something always existing within the mind of God, as all things have.
 
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Or it is not youre definition. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/omnipotence
I dont see youre idea of omnipotence in there.
How do you draw the inference that any of M-W's definitions permit logical impossibilities?

Omnipotence defintions aside. Do you beleive there are things God cannot do? Not things He will not do rather, but cannot.
Yes, I believe God cannot do things that are logically impossible, such as creating an object too heavy for him to lift.

So youre saying that His human nature has not always existed and had a begining and that from now on it will continue to exist? If you feel this is distracting then i will stop asking about it.
Yes, that is correct.

Something omnipotent could create itself, If thats what youre getting at. It could cease to exist and then remake itself even. Its absurd but it seems "absurdities" are nessecary if something is truly omnipotent(or limitless in power if you prefer). However, God did not make Himself. So no.

Perhaps, created isnt the best word. Conceived works better but even then it doesnt quite fit. Im not sure if there is a word for something always existing within the mind of God, as all things have.
You believe it is possible for something that does not exist to create itself?

Soli Deo Gloria

Jon
 
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