Oldest rock in the world 2 days after creation (embedded age)

[BCP1928]

I say they use only the natural and if you dispute it, provide one scientist that claims science deals with more!?

Science doesn't deal with it. That's what religion is for.

 

[BCP1928]

Yes if people deny man was created by God before a woman was made, that makes evolution outrageously false. If Jesus did not make all things that means cosmology is a lie. You deny that right?

Fine. That is what they need to do, stick to the natural. Creation was not natural.

No. If you imagine you believe in some god that was not the creator and who made all things, then you do not know the creator. Whatever you have it would not include the Jesus who created all things.

What you appear to be saying is that a person who does not accept the literal inerrancy of Genesis cannot be a Christian. Is that your position?

 

[Hans Blaster]

And so the beliefs of science that the natural only is the path to knowledge of where we came from is not authoritative. It is just a belief.

Science doesn't work on "belief". Science works with data, evidence, and models.

 

[truthpls]

Science doesn't deal with it. That's what religion is for.

They do deal in claims about how we got here and that is based on the natural processes. If there is more, then all their models are useless at best. The truth is that most of the world does not accept that there is only the natural. Christians don't. A model of creation based only on the natural is a religion as much as any based on creation involving the supernatural because science does not know either way

 

[truthpls]

What you appear to be saying is that a person who does not accept the literal inerrancy of Genesis cannot be a Christian. Is that your position?

No. There could be some ignorant folks out there who never read it. There could be some weaker brethren out there that do not know Him well and that Scripture is true. For the ones who know perfectly well that the bible preaches creation and Jesus preached creation that reject it, I would say that is a sin

If we accept the inerrancy of Jesus then we know He created Adam and Eve and all things.

 

[truthpls]

Science doesn't work on "belief". Science works with data, evidence, and models.

It works on a belief that the natural processes tell us about creation of man and the universe. They place all data under this belief and all evidence.

 

[Hans Blaster]

It works on a belief that the natural processes tell us about creation of man and the universe. They place all data under this belief and all evidence.

Nope.

 

[truthpls]

Nope.

Tell us what more than the physical and natural science does work with then?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So 17 pages along and still no answer as to why God created a rock that, through every manner of testing, looks 150 million years old on the second day of creation 6000 years ago that is not just a copy and pasted answer from AI or just an outright daft answer.

I fully claim that if you claim that God created the world 6000 years ago but did it specifically to make the world look billions of years old, then you're claiming that God is deceptive.

 

[truthpls]

So 17 pages along and still no answer as to why God created a rock that, through every manner of testing, looks 150 million years old on the second day of creation 6000 years ago that is not just a copy and pasted answer from AI or just an outright daft answer.

Where you been? The rock looks like a rock. Just as it looked the day after creation. Just because some swami or psychic or natural only fanatic imagines that it appears to them to be zillions of years old doesn't matter at all.

I fully claim that if you claim that God created the world 6000 years ago but did it specifically to make the world look billions of years old, then you're claiming that God is deceptive.

And so a deceived person would claim if he lost all contact with God and reality. I can assure you that I am not deceived at all by looking at a rock into thinking there was no creation. Billions of years old is just a buzzword for declaring one is deeply lost and deceived. Nothing supports that delusion except a misreading of creation and it's processes of our nature. A confusion and daze caused by assuming and believing that all that is needed to find out about creation/how we got here is the natural processes in this physical natural world. A misreading that many believers would have to conclude, that in many cases at least, results from a purposeful choice. The choice of rejecting the truth of God.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Where you been? The rock looks like a rock. Just as it looked the day after creation. Just because some swami or psychic or natural only fanatic imagines that it appears to them to be zillions of years old doesn't matter at all.

And so a deceived person would claim if he lost all contact with God and reality. I can assure you that I am not deceived at all by looking at a rock into thinking there was no creation. Billions of years old is just a buzzword for declaring one is deeply lost and deceived. Nothing supports that delusion except a misreading of creation and it's processes of our nature. A confusion and daze caused by assuming and believing that all that is needed to find out about creation/how we got here is the natural processes in this physical natural world. A misreading that many believers would have to conclude, that in many cases at least, results from a purposeful choice. The choice of rejecting the truth of God.

Buddy, you're still putting forward a deception and thus a deceptive God. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

 

[truthpls]

Buddy, you're still putting forward a deception and thus a deceptive God. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

The deception is 100% on your end buddy. If we believed God then a rock would not appear to be uncreated and absurdly old, If we do not receive the love of God and the truth of the creator, then we will be actively sent delusion.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The deception is 100% on your end buddy. If we believed God then a rock would not appear to be uncreated and absurdly old, If we do not receive the love of God and the truth of the creator, then we will be actively sent delusion.

You're the one, and also AV too, who is claiming that God created the world 6000 years ago but put age into the rocks to make it look significantly older than it is. So the deception is 1000% on your end and yours alone.

Just because you want to follow a claim put forward by American Fundamentalists in the 60s is no skin off the nose of the question of salvation. We'll only really find out when we finally meet Him in the end. As long as the Mormon's aren't the ones who are right that's all that really matters.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're the one, and also AV too, who is claiming that God created the world 6000 years ago but put age into the rocks to make it look significantly older than it is.

Where you been?

I said God created the world 6000 years ago and put age into the rocks to help regulate the temperature of the earth.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Where you been?

I said God created the world 6000 years ago and put age into the rocks to help regulate the temperature of the earth.

Which is a nonsensical answer because why would God need to do that when he can clean up a global flood into such a way that the White Cliffs of Dover are neatly stacked?

Also I have to admit that is a new one since I don't remember you saying that. I remember you saying it was a thing for the toughness and strength of stone to help Adam, but not anything to do with heat.

 

[AV1611VET]

Also I have to admit that is a new one since I don't remember you saying that. I remember you saying it was a thing for the toughness and strength of stone to help Adam, but not anything to do with heat.

Post 17

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Post 17

Ah.

Still a nonsensical answer since it doesn't really answer the question of why God would put embedded age into something he created 5,999 years and 363 days ago.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ah.

Still a nonsensical answer since it doesn't really answer the question of why God would put embedded age into something he created 5,999 years and 363 days ago.

It's a LOT BETTER than you're suggestion that He did it to be deceptive.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It's a LOT BETTER than you're suggestion that He did it to be deceptive.

Yours is nothing but post hoc logic. Mine is looking at the facts as they stand and me also knowing that God isn't deceptive. You're the one who's claim makes God out to be deceptive.

 

[AaronClaricus]

Where you been? The rock looks like a rock. Just as it looked the day after creation. Just because some swami or psychic or natural only fanatic imagines that it appears to them to be zillions of years old doesn't matter at all.

Metamictisation can make rocks look very old. It's even one of the ways we ID Prenephelean(presolar) rocks.