Oldest rock in the world 2 days after creation (embedded age)

[Aaron112]

In His Word He has already said so.

I believe I'll wait and let Jesus tell me in person whether He thinks I've rejected His word or not.

 

[BCP1928]

In His Word He has already said so.

No, you say I have rejected His word, but I don't trust you.

 

[truthpls]

Maybe so, but to accuse them of believing that even though they do not is arrogant and presumptuous.

Believing what? Not believing in creation? They admit it. Don't you? Why so sensitive? I stand behind what I believe with good conscience. I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He was able to accomplish all that He claimed.

There are people who believe devoutly in God who do not believe in the literal inerrancy of Scripture.

I said I don't care what religion they are. That is not the issue. The issue is that they stand behind Antichrist lies.

That's a fact, and you are just going to have to suck it up.

Getting sore are we? I understand.

 

[Aaron112]

No, you say I have rejected His word, but I don't trust you.

You're not supposed to trust me.
Jesus says plainly in His Word that if you reject His Word , anyone , then they have already rejected Him.

 

[BCP1928]

Believing what? Not believing in creation? They admit it. Don't you? Why so sensitive? I stand behind what I believe with good conscience. I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He was able to accomplish all that He claimed.

I said I don't care what religion they are. That is not the issue. The issue is that they stand behind Antichrist lies.

Getting sore are we? I understand.

Sore? no. Mostly I feel sorry for you. I really don't think you mean to be so offensive.

 

[BCP1928]

You're not supposed to trust me.
Jesus says plainly in His Word that if you reject His Word , anyone , then they have already rejected Him.

Exactly so. On the other hand, your opinion about whether I have rejected His word or not is worthless,

 

[truthpls]

Sore? no. Mostly I feel sorry for you. I really don't think you mean to be so offensive.

People that honestly hold the position that the bible is wrong and that Jesus is not the creator or heaven and earth have no right to be offended that the position they cherish is shown to be contrary to Scripture. If they believe somehow in the supernatural, as they must of they still claim to believe in God, then accepting only the natural processes as the sole map to how we got here, is hypocritical as well.

 

[Hans Blaster]

If believing there was a creation was authoritative, how would any of the beliefs of others change that? You said we were an authority on what we believe But word games aside, we can say the same of those whose belief is in only the natural world! They may be an 'authority' on their own beliefs.

That's the point -- believing something -- anything -- isn't authoritative. It is just a belief. It might be a true belief or not, but the existence of a belief doesn't make it authoritative to others.

 

[Aaron112]

People who listen to Jesus do not think about/follow religion. If someone dies today, it may be in human time many years before they are "before God"/judgment day. So he won't be going anywhere except the grave, until he is resurrected.

 

[truthpls]

That's the point -- believing something -- anything -- isn't authoritative. It is just a belief.

And so the beliefs of science that the natural only is the path to knowledge of where we came from is not authoritative. It is just a belief.

It might be a true belief or not, but the existence of a belief doesn't make it authoritative to others.

Exactly. In the case of the truth, it does not change anything if some do not believe.


Romans 3:3
It is true that some of them did not believe the message. But does this mean that God cannot be trusted, just because they did not have faith?

 

[truthpls]

People who listen to Jesus do not think about/follow religion. If someone dies today, it may be in human time many years before they are "before God"/judgment day. So he won't be going anywhere except the grave, until he is resurrected.

His body won't. We, however sure will.


2 Corinthians 5:8
Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord.

When believers in the tribulation time are beheaded, they are not instantly resurrected in body. We see them talking to God in heaven asking how long it will be.

 

[BCP1928]

People that honestly hold the position that the bible is wrong

Or that you are wrong about the Bible

and that Jesus is not the creator or heaven and earth

They still may believe that Jesus is the creator of heaven and Earth

have no right to be offended that the position they cherish is shown to be contrary to Scripture.

No one is offended that you show that the position they cherish is contrary to what you think Scripture says. That's standard procedure for creationists in this forum. We're used to it.

If they believe somehow in the supernatural, as they must of they still claim to believe in God,

As they do.

then accepting only the natural processes as the sole map to how we got here, is hypocritical as well.

That they accept that only the natural processes are the sole map of how we got here is a fabrication on your part. Calling them hypocrites for something they don't believe is what gives offense.

 

[dlamberth]

If they believe somehow in the supernatural, as they must of they still claim to believe in God, then accepting only the natural processes as the sole map to how we got here, is hypocritical as well.

It's not hypocritical if one accepts the natural processes as how God Creates.

 

[Aaron112]

They remain faithful to Jesus. That's standard worldwide.

That's standard procedure for creationists in this forum.

 

[truthpls]

Or that you are wrong about the Bible

No one here has debated that the bible spells out that God created all things. Can you show that the scores of verses about this all over the bible actually mean something opposite?
Example:

Mark 13:19 -- "For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be.

That was God Himself speaking. It means that man was here at the beginning talked about. There is no possibility to fit this with the theory of the evolution of man or with cosmology.

They still may believe that Jesus is the creator of heaven and Earth

Not if they accept what science says. The moon story of science, or solar system story of science, or the first lifeform story of science for example.

No one is offended that you show that the position they cherish is contrary to what you think Scripture says.

It is absolute that their bible opposing claims are contrary to what Scripture says. Look at the words of Jesus above for example.

That they accept that only the natural processes are the sole map of how we got here is a fabrication on your part.

Show any dating method or any stellar evolution concept that is based on anything other than the natural!? Do it here and now if you can.

Calling them hypocrites for something they don't believe is what gives offense.

To claim that they embrace the natural only derived anti creation beliefs and stories of science and are not hypocrites for also claiming to believe in some vague supernatural creation is hypocritical. It is one or the other. Choose this day. If God be God, and creator and who He says He is, the believe Him.

 

[truthpls]

It's not hypocritical if one accepts the natural processes as how God Creates.

I agree! If one lays no claim to believing in God how is it hypocritical for them to construct a model of creation based on just the natural?

 

[BCP1928]

No one here has debated that the bible spells out that God created all things.

No one denies it.

Can you show that the scores of verses about this all over the bible actually mean something opposite?
Example:

Mark 13:19 -- "For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be.

That was God Himself speaking. It means that man was here at the beginning talked about. There is no possibility to fit this with the theory of the evolution of man or with cosmology.



Not if they accept what science says. The moon story of science, or solar system story of science, or the first lifeform story of science for example.

It is absolute that their bible opposing claims are contrary to what Scripture says. Look at the words of Jesus above for example.

Show any dating method or any stellar evolution concept that is based on anything other than the natural!? Do it here and now if you can.

What do you expect? Science only has access to the natural.

To claim that they embrace the natural only derived anti creation beliefs and stories of science and are not hypocrites for also claiming to believe in some vague supernatural creation is hypocritical. It is one or the other. Choose this day. If God be God, and creator and who He says He is, the believe Him.

That's your choice. I don't have to make it. I get to have both.

 

[BCP1928]

I agree! If one lays no claim to believing in God how is it hypocritical for them to construct a model of creation based on just the natural?

Who says they do that? You are calling them hypocrites for something they don't believe.

 

[truthpls]

No one denies it.

Yes if people deny man was created by God before a woman was made, that makes evolution outrageously false. If Jesus did not make all things that means cosmology is a lie. You deny that right?

What do you expect? Science only has access to the natural.

Fine. That is what they need to do, stick to the natural. Creation was not natural.

That's your choice. I don't have to make it. I get to have both.

No. If you imagine you believe in some god that was not the creator and who made all things, then you do not know the creator. Whatever you have it would not include the Jesus who created all things.

 

[truthpls]

Who says they do that? You are calling them hypocrites for something they don't believe.

I say they use only the natural and if you dispute it, provide one scientist that claims science deals with more!?