Old Testament Laws

[Babygirl_02]

How do I explain to someone that we are not bound by laws in the old Testament in this day in age? He says that present day Chrisitians are hypocrites because while we claim to be biblical we don't Follow God's Law. Then he brings up all of these rules in the old testament! I tried explaining to him why they no longer apply to us today but he says

hmmm... u might wanna look up what the covenenant is. It might have changed, however the Law did not. The Law and the Covenant are two different things. Refer back to this part of the scripture you just threw at me:

“For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days," says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts.

He refers to the law and the covenant separately. Furthermore, nowhere does he say that the Law is changing, merely the covenant.

Help!!!!!

 

[Symes]

The only laws in the Old Testament that were done away with were the cermonial laws pertaing to the scarificial system. They did not have to kill animals anymore, like they had been doing to obtain forgiveness of sin. This was the law that was dopne away with.

All the health laws are still there. The moral law has never been done away with. The laws that pointed forward to the cross were abolished. The laws that point back to Creation as a memorial are still with us today.

 

[Babygirl_02]

so you mean to tell me, if a woman is menstruating, if she touches someone both she and that person is unclean? Is that still true? Is the concept of capital punishment still valid today also?

 

[Achichem]

So you mean to tell me, if a woman is menstruating, if she touches someone both she and that person is unclean?
I would say technology helps us with this one, and the uncleanness is contained.

There is two reasons this may have been enacted:
-Health
-Blood is sacred

Either way it is contained.
Is the concept of capital punishment still valid today also?
Considering that most of the instruction only says the blame shall be upon them, and it does not as often actually tell us to kill, I believe it still true.

But as for the rest, no one feels righteous enough, worthy enough or without crime of sin enough, to enact the statute.
So we in act the higher statute of forgiveness, and love.”(Also in the Torah)

As for the sacrifice rituals (which I still do not completely believe Gone)
The reason we do not have to do them is our high priest (Y’shua) does them, in the true temple of God.

Shalom,
DaTsar

 

[Crazy Liz]

How do I explain to someone that we are not bound by laws in the old Testament in this day in age? He says that present day Chrisitians are hypocrites because while we claim to be biblical we don't Follow God's Law. Then he brings up all of these rules in the old testament! I tried explaining to him why they no longer apply to us today...

Study Galatians and Acts.

The first principle in Galatians seems to be that Gentile believers do not have to become circumcised and follow the OT laws to receive God's grace, and, in fact, if they do, they are denying that they are saved by faith, not by works. In Galatians, Paul does not tell Jewish believers to stop observing the OT laws. He merely says Jewish believers should let Gentile believers remain Gentiles. They are accepted by God as Gentiles.

In Acts, there are some issues raise about fellowship between Jewish believers and Gentile believers. Acts 10 seems to establish that the strict separation from Gentiles kept by observant Jews is done away with. It could be interpreted similarly to the parable of the Good Samaritan. It is said the priest and the Levite gave priority to their ceremonial purity above the needs of the man beside the road. Peter was told not to put his ceremonial purity above the request of a Gentile household to receive the gospel.

This is also consistent with Jesus' conduct in touching lepers when he healed them, etc.

So I would not tell our brothers and sisters who are Jewish believers anything about keeping the OT laws except to the extent they should not prevent them from fellowship with Gentile believers (Gal. 2:11), from preaching the gospel to Gentiles (Acts 10), or from acts of mercy and compassion (Matthew 8:3, Mark 1:41, Luke 10:25-37). I would, with Paul, tell our Gentile brothers and sisters it is of no spiritual value to them to become Jewish.

WRT the sacrifices, Da Tsar says Jesus fulfills all the sacrificial law, so they are no longer needed. I won't argue with him about that, but would add a further note that since the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, there are no Jewish sacrifices at this time.

 

[Achichem]

I would, with Paul, tell our Gentile brothers and sisters it is of no spiritual value to them to become Jewish.

I no not think that his audience was just your average everyday gentiles, when he sent that letter (Galatians) or the groups in Acts were just gentile believers who kept the torah. He was talking about very specific beliefs arising among them, which made the written law an obstacle rather then asset. They were going to put the law (which is dead) in place of the Living G-d.

I would, by Paul’s writings, tell our Gentile brothers and sisters that you who convert and repent are sons of Abraham (Jew, Israelite… what ever you want to call them)

You must become doers of the law, not hears.
Understanding what it means to be under grace, and not law.

As I am sure you wish to argue,
Please direct you questions,
And I would be happy to answer them.
Shalom,
Datsar

 

[snoopyloopysk8a]

The only laws in the Old Testament that were done away with were the cermonial laws pertaing to the scarificial system. They did not have to kill animals anymore, like they had been doing to obtain forgiveness of sin. This was the law that was dopne away with.

All the health laws are still there. The moral law has never been done away with. The laws that pointed forward to the cross were abolished. The laws that point back to Creation as a memorial are still with us today.

The Ten Commandments were the Laws that were meant to be here forever, seeing that God took the time to write them with His finger in stone.

 

[Symes]

The Ten Commandments were the Laws that were meant to be here forever, seeing that God took the time to write them with His finger in stone.

AMEN! God told us in His Word that we are to "Remember the Sabbath day......"

Why did He tell us to "Remember"?

Because as humans we forget easily and how can we do something if we do not "Remember"

When God said to "Remember" it also show that at some time in the past they must have known about it.

 

[NeonBlack]

even though im not jewish nor messianic, i still follow the old testament laws? why?

because theyre practical and theyre all about cleanliness

though i dont sacrifice sheep... but i do practice them especially in this day and age... theyre healthy anyways and made for a reason... so why not?


leviticus is like my favorite book in the bible

 

[snoopyloopysk8a]

Yeah, we follow quite a number of the laws without even knowing it because science and research have proved them to be good tips for healthy living.

 

[NeonBlack]

see? gods pretty smart