Old Earth Creationism

[FaithT]

I am Catholic and what bothers me is that most of the Church's leaders have swallowed Darwinism hook, line and sinker. Such is the power of Darwinist propaganda to deceive.

The danger of Darwinism is that it (falsely) claims that science has established that life on earth is purely the result of biological mechanisms ... therefore there was no need for a Creator God. In my opinion, that is a Satanic lie, the aim of which is to promote atheism.

Indeed, William Provine said, "Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented."

Maybe they’re theistic evolutionists but don’t know that it isn’t Darwinian.

 

[BPPLEE]

I'm not a YEC. I accept the scientific evidence that suggests the universe is billions of years old and that life on earth began perhaps billions of years ago, as simple life-forms that became more complex and diverse over time.

Despite what evolutionary scientists (most of whom are very biased atheists who have an agenda) say, no one can prove what process was responsible for the history of life on earth - no one can even prove that that history was a contiguous process of biological evolution.

Do you believe in progressive creationism?

 

[FaithT]

Do you believe in progressive creationism?

What’s the difference between progressive creationism and theistic evolution?

 

[PrincetonGuy]

I'm not a YEC. I accept the scientific evidence that suggests the universe is billions of years old and that life on earth began perhaps billions of years ago, as simple life-forms that became more complex and diverse over time.

Despite what evolutionary scientists (most of whom are very biased atheists who have an agenda) say, no one can prove what process was responsible for the history of life on earth - no one can even prove that that history was a contiguous process of biological evolution.

Science and religion are two very different disciplines that do not intersect. Therefore, science could not care less about the teachings of religion. However, individual evolutionists and other scientists may have religious beliefs, and among evolutionists we find Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Taoists, as well as persons with indigenous and ethnic beliefs. Some scientists, however, may have no religious beliefs, and a few of these scientists may be atheists—but atheism is uncommon among scientists because evidence is a major component of science, and evidence that God does not exist is seriously lacking!

 

[PrincetonGuy]

I am Catholic and what bothers me is that most of the Church's leaders have swallowed Darwinism hook, line and sinker. Such is the power of Darwinist propaganda to deceive.

The danger of Darwinism is that it (falsely) claims that science has established that life on earth is purely the result of biological mechanisms ... therefore there was no need for a Creator God. In my opinion, that is a Satanic lie, the aim of which is to promote atheism.

Indeed, William Provine said, "Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented."

Darwinian evolution is a theory; and being a theory, it does NOT claim, “That science has established that life on earth is purely the result of biological mechanisms ... therefore there was no need for a Creator God.” The theory is harmless and in no way contradicts an academically sound interpretation of the Bible. However, Satan has caused countless Christian to become so obsessed with arguing against the theory of evolution that Christians appear to others to be intellectually challenged baboons suffering from the late stages of dementia.

 

[FaithT]

Darwinian evolution is a theory; and being a theory, it does NOT claim, “That science has established that life on earth is purely the result of biological mechanisms ... therefore there was no need for a Creator God.” The theory is harmless and in no way contradicts an academically sound interpretation of the Bible. However, Satan has caused countless Christian to become so obsessed with arguing against the theory of evolution that Christians appear to others to be intellectually challenged baboons suffering from the late stages of dementia.

What’s the difference between Darwinian evolution and any other type of evolution?

 

[Buzzard3]

Darwinian evolution is a theory; and being a theory, it does NOT claim, “That science has established that life on earth is purely the result of biological mechanisms ... therefore there was no need for a Creator God.”

I never said it did. I said that's the message evolutionism sends to the masses.

The late William B. Provine (who was an atheist and a Professor of Biological Sciences at Cornell University), put it this way:
"Let me summarize my views on what modern evolutionary biology tells us loud and clear — and these are basically Darwin’s views. There are no gods, no purposes, and no goal-directed forces of any kind. There is no life after death. When I die, I am absolutely certain that I am going to be dead. That’s the end of me. There is no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning in life, and no free will for humans, either." (from a debate with Phillip E. Johnson at Stanford University, April 30, 1994)

The theory is harmless

That is a very naive and dangerous point of view. The theory of evolution has the potential to erase God from the equation as the author of creation, by attributing the history of life on earth to purely natural mechanisms.

and in no way contradicts an academically sound interpretation of the Bible.

Agreed.

However, Satan has caused countless Christian to become so obsessed with arguing against the theory of evolution that Christians appear to others to be intellectually challenged baboons suffering from the late stages of dementia.

Satan is the author of the YEC movement? That's absurd ... not to mention, grossly offensive to many thousands of sincere Christians who love the Lord.

Let me guess ... you think Satan is behind the Intelligent Design movement too ... and anyone else who doesn't conform to your Darwinist worldview.

 

[Buzzard3]

What’s the difference between believing in an old earth (and old life on earth) and believing in Darwinian evolution?

Darwinian evolution attempts to explain what was responsible for the history of life on earth ... whereas I don't offer any explanation at all for what produced that history.
I don't offer any explanation because it's pointless - no one can ever explain what produced the history of life on earth and no explanation can ever be proven as correct.

Furthermore, not even the history of life on earth can be known. Darwinian evolution claims that history was a contiguous process of biological change, but that cannot be proven.
All we have to go on are fossils that are separated by vast periods of time - no one knows what happened in those vast periods of time.

 

[Buzzard3]

I’m a theistic evolutionist, I guess.

If you ask me, theistic evolution is contradicted by Genesis 2:7 ... ie, Adam was not the offspring of any pre-existing (evolved) creature, but was created in an instant from inanimate matter.

 

[FaithT]

Darwinian evolution attempts to explain what was responsible for the history of life on earth ... whereas I don't offer any explanation at all for what produced that history.
I don't offer any explanation because it's pointless - no one can ever explain what produced the history of life on earth and no explanation can ever be proven as correct.

Furthermore, not even the history of life on earth can be known. Darwinian evolution claims that history was a contiguous process of biological change, but that cannot be proven.
All we have to go on are fossils that are separated by vast periods of time - no one knows what happened in those vast periods of time.

But you do believe in an old earth. Correct?

 

[Buzzard3]

But you do believe in an old earth. Correct?

I accept the scientific evidence that suggests the earth is possibly billions of years old and that life on earth possibly began billions of years ago.

So I am not a YEC.

 

[FaithT]

If you ask me, theistic evolution is contradicted by Genesis 2:7 ... ie, Adam was not the offspring of any pre-existing (evolved) creature, but was created in an instant from inanimate matter.

Adam, Eve, and Evolution this is from Catholic Answers which is a good reference for Catholics. I’m not sure what denomination I am, anymore.

 

[FaithT]

I accept the scientific evidence that suggests the earth is possibly billions of years old and that life on earth possibly began billions of years ago.

So I am not a YEC.

Ok, I don’t think I am either, but since going to the LCMS Lutheran church, they’ve gotten me thinking about the possibility.

 

[Buzzard3]

Do you believe in progressive creationism?

What do you mean by "progressive creationism"?

 

[Buzzard3]

Maybe they’re theistic evolutionists but don’t know that it isn’t Darwinian.

Theistic evolution is basically Darwinism.

 

[Buzzard3]

Adam, Eve, and Evolution this is from Catholic Answers which is a good reference for Catholics. I’m not sure what denomination I am, anymore.

As a Catholic I urge you to return to the Catholic Church.
I was raised Catholic but strayed from the Church after I left school, which was a huge mistake. I actually became very anti-Catholic for a few years (my Protestant stage) but the Holy Spirit opened my eyes to the truth and I returned to Rome and Mother Church, where I will remain.

I am thoroughly convinced that the CC is the one, true Church.

 

[Buzzard3]

Ok, I don’t think I am either, but since going to the LCMS Lutheran church, they’ve gotten me thinking about the possibility.

Whether you believe in a young earth or an old earth, the Lord doesn't care.

 

[Job 33:6]

I never said it did. I said that's the message evolutionism sends to the masses.

The late William B. Provine (who was an atheist and a Professor of Biological Sciences at Cornell University), put it this way:
"Let me summarize my views on what modern evolutionary biology tells us loud and clear — and these are basically Darwin’s views. There are no gods, no purposes, and no goal-directed forces of any kind. There is no life after death. When I die, I am absolutely certain that I am going to be dead. That’s the end of me. There is no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning in life, and no free will for humans, either." (from a debate with Phillip E. Johnson at Stanford University, April 30, 1994)

That is a very naive and dangerous point of view. The theory of evolution has the potential to erase God from the equation as the author of creation, by attributing the history of life on earth to purely natural mechanisms.

Agreed.

Satan is the author of the YEC movement? That's absurd ... not to mention, grossly offensive to many thousands of sincere Christians who love the Lord.

Let me guess ... you think Satan is behind the Intelligent Design movement too ... and anyone else who doesn't conform to your Darwinist worldview.

If " Darwinian evolution is a theory; and being a theory, it does NOT claim, “That science has established that life on earth is purely the result of biological mechanisms ... therefore there was no need for a Creator God.” , which you agree with, then how could you turn and say that "The theory of evolution has the potential to erase God from the equation as the author of creation"

This is a contradictory position.

A theory cannot erase God if it makes no claims about God. This is like saying that the theory of heliocentrism erases God. Some Christians of the Catholic church hundreds of years ago were afraid that it would, but the reality is that it says nothing about God, and thus their fears turned out to be unreasonable.

If anything the opposite would be true that Christians learned to view heliocentrism and creation of the universe as we know it today as the work of God. Quite the opposite.

 

[Job 33:6]

As a Catholic I urge you to return to the Catholic Church.
I was raised Catholic but strayed from the Church after I left school, which was a huge mistake. I actually became very anti-Catholic for a few years (my Protestant stage) but the Holy Spirit opened my eyes to the truth and I returned to Rome and Mother Church, where I will remain.

I am thoroughly convinced that the CC is the one, true Church.

And how does this make any sense? How could anyone condone the Catholic Church but then simultaneously reject the theory of evolution which the Pope has stated isn't in contradiction with the faith?

As a Catholic do you disagree with a pope?
Catholics and the Evolving Cosmos

Catholic schools today reach theistic evolution.
Theistic Evolution and the Roman Catholic Church ::

 

[FaithT]

As a Catholic I urge you to return to the Catholic Church.
I was raised Catholic but strayed from the Church after I left school, which was a huge mistake. I actually became very anti-Catholic for a few years (my Protestant stage) but the Holy Spirit opened my eyes to the truth and I returned to Rome and Mother Church, where I will remain.

I am thoroughly convinced that the CC is the one, true Church.

I actually enjoy going to the Lutheran church. Their music is amazing.