Old Earth Creationism

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And one more thing too. It's more than just "the most" rational explanation. It is "a" rational explanation. More than just being on a spectrum where perhaps all scientific theories are innacurate, the theory of evolution does an incredibly good job of explaining why those matching cladistic/phylogenetic patterns exist. And indeed, there really isn't any other logical alternative beyond common descent at large.

It's like with the theory of plate tectonics. We might see magma coming up from the mantle out of volcanoes and conclude based on evidence that The most rational explanation for this is that the mantle is made of magma. It's not merely "the most" rational explanation for what we see, it is "a" rational explanation for what we see. And despite the theory of plate tectonics not being "proven" per se, for practical purposes, observations indicate that it is true, ie that there is molten rock beneath us and that this is where lava comes from when volcanoes erupt.
The earth was created 6000 years ago. Explanations should use that as an assumption and go from there
 
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The earth was created 6000 years ago. Explanations should use that as an assumption and go from there
Scientists used tree ring studies of living and dead buried tree trunks to study climate as warmer years produced wider ring spacing and cooler years narrow spacing. A tree grows one ring per year. Studies of German oaks preserved in river sediments recorded history slightly longer than 10,000 years.
https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/radiocarbon/article/viewFile/1560/1564

Tree ring studies were used to prove the accuracy of carbon 14 isotope dating. Scientists have used carbon 14 dating to test the age of carbon samples up to 50,000 years old. The oldest Old Testament scroll library contained the Dead Sea Scrolls dating back to the third century BC to the first century AD. These ages were confirmed with carbon 14 dating.
 
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Scientists used tree ring studies of living and dead buried tree trunks to study climate as warmer years produced wider ring spacing and cooler years narrow spacing. A tree grows one ring per year. Studies of German oaks preserved in river sediments recorded history slightly longer than 10,000 years.
https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/radiocarbon/article/viewFile/1560/1564

Tree ring studies were used to prove the accuracy of carbon 14 isotope dating. Scientists have used carbon 14 dating to test the age of carbon samples up to 50,000 years old. The oldest Old Testament scroll library contained the Dead Sea Scrolls dating back to the third century BC to the first century AD. These ages were confirmed with carbon 14 dating.
I understand all that. But the earth was still created 6000 years ago….in 6 24 hour days. So explanations should be based on that assumption.
 
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I understand all that. But the earth was still created 6000 years ago….in 6 24 hour days. So explanations should be based on that assumption.
How long did it take for the Bible to be created?
 
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Close to that length of time.

Job is the oldest book in the Bible and some date it back to within a thousand years of the beginning.
Writing began about 5000 yrs ago in Mesopotamia. The first writings were symbols describing the contents of clay pottery storage jars. 4000 years ago Sumerians wrote written records on clay tablets with a larger vocabulary. When they wanted the records to last a long time they put them in pottery kilns and fired them to harden them like brick. The Egyptians were recording hieroglyphics with pen and ink on papyrus sheets and engraved on stone monuments.

About 1200 BC the word Israel was recorded for the first time that we know of on the granite Merneptah Stele.
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
 
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Writing began about 5000 yrs ago in Mesopotamia. The first writings were symbols describing the contents of clay pottery storage jars. 4000 years ago Sumerians wrote written records on clay tablets with a larger vocabulary. When they wanted the records to last a long time they put them in pottery kilns and fired them to harden them like brick. The Egyptians were recording hieroglyphics with pen and ink on papyrus sheets and engraved on stone monuments.

About 1200 BC the word Israel was recorded for the first time that we know of on the granite Merneptah Stele.
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
'That we know of' is the key phrase in everything you described there.

All of that is made up of specific scientists claims that were accepted by other scientists and declared to be the official account.

There are many others who have found, repeatedly, over the past couple decades or more that the dates of the ancient times are incorrect and have been purposely misaligned to support Bible-denying theories of other dates for other things.

Job is dated back to roughly 6000 years ago.

If you are a Christian, you need to defer to the Christian Bible's explanation of how things went down. NOT to science. Science will deny every single aspect of the Bible (the Truth) at every possible turn.

God created mankind and Aramaic is the oldest known language. NOT post-caveman signs and symbols.
 
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'That we know of' is the key phrase in everything you described there.

All of that is made up of specific scientists claims that were accepted by other scientists and declared to be the official account.

There are many others who have found, repeatedly, over the past couple decades or more that the dates of the ancient times are incorrect and have been purposely misaligned to support Bible-denying theories of other dates for other things.

Job is dated back to roughly 6000 BC.

If you are a Christian, you need to defer to the Christian Bible's explanation of how things went down. NOT to science. Science will deny every single aspect of the Bible (the Truth) at every possible turn.

God created mankind and Aramaic is the oldest known language. NOT post-caveman signs and symbols.
The earth was created approximately 4000BC (6000 years ago). Job was written after creation
 
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'That we know of' is the key phrase in everything you described there.

All of that is made up of specific scientists claims that were accepted by other scientists and declared to be the official account.

There are many others who have found, repeatedly, over the past couple decades or more that the dates of the ancient times are incorrect and have been purposely misaligned to support Bible-denying theories of other dates for other things.

Job is dated back to roughly 6000 years ago.

If you are a Christian, you need to defer to the Christian Bible's explanation of how things went down. NOT to science. Science will deny every single aspect of the Bible (the Truth) at every possible turn.

God created mankind and Aramaic is the oldest known language. NOT post-caveman signs and symbols.
Sumerian is sometimes described as the oldest known written language. It was used in Mesopotamia (Iraq). Others thought ancient Egyptian was the oldest written language. Phoenician is the oldest written alphabet. Early Hebrew did not have written vowels.
 
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Sumerian is sometimes described as the oldest known written language. It was used in Mesopotamia (Iraq). Others thought ancient Egyptian was the oldest written language. Phoenician is the oldest written alphabet. Early Hebrew did not have written vowels.
You claim to be a Christian so I'll help you out.

God created the world.
God created man.
Man's first language, the language that God spoke to man, was Aramaic, an ancient version of Hebrew.

All the rest of that is science nonsense.

Just like evolution.
 
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It is impossible to read the bible and come to any understanding of it without seeing that it teaches a six day creation.
W@hat about thgose of us who are Christians and who find the while "days of creation" discussion irrelevant?
 
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You claim to be a Christian so I'll help you out.
Terrific approach. <Laugh>
God created the world.
Yep
God created man.
Yep.

Man's first language, the language that God spoke to man, was Aramaic, an ancient version of Hebrew.
Evidence?

All the rest of that is science nonsense.
Just like evolution.
Almost thou persuadest me to be an evolutionist.
 
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It all depends on how one reads the bible.
If one reads it and reads out of what is written that is the correct way to understand scripture.
To read the bible and to read into it some previous;y formed idea is the wrong way to red scripyure.

It is impossible to read the bible and come to any understanding of it without seeing that it teaches a six day creation.
Six days of "THIS" creation.

Don't you know that God will replace this creation on earth with another creation one on earth?

He did it with our world by replacing the prehistoric world, and He will do it again.


Isaiah 65:17-20

“See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.

But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.
I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.

“Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach a hundred
will be considered accursed."



That, my friend, is not evolution.

That is God replacing our present created world with a new world. Just like He replaced the prehistoric world with its dinosaurs with the world we now find ourselves in.


grace and peace ..............
 
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Man's first language, the language that God spoke to man, was Aramaic, an ancient version of Hebrew.

Who told you that?

Aramaic developed later out from Hebrew while Israel was under Chaldean captivity.

Its a form of Hebrew and Arabic mixed and combined.
Like we saw new broken English develop in NYC during the great migration..

It is why we find the Book of Daniel was written in Aramaic.

Daniel who grew up Hebrew, but later became a captive in Babylon under Nebuchadnezzar.
 
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I am pretty sure that what is to be believed from the start of the Bible is that all we find on earth that is already around, meaning the life, the seas and the sky we have, was put here in the creation of our world in six days, with the unformed world existing already, and we are not told of the time it had been here. But as God made life in the six days the life on earth is to be thought of as being here just from God and not explained by evolution. There would be evolution of varieties but not all life from the same ancestors. Death came just with sin at the fall of humanity and the start of the spreading of curse on this world.
 
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Six days of "THIS" creation.

Don't you know that God will replace this creation on earth with another creation one on earth?

He did it with our world by replacing the prehistoric world, and He will do it again.


Isaiah 65:17-20

“See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.

But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.
I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.

“Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach a hundred
will be considered accursed."



That, my friend, is not evolution.

That is God replacing our present created world with a new world. Just like He replaced the prehistoric world with its dinosaurs with the world we now find ourselves in.


grace and peace ..............
This would mean that death had entered the world before Adam was created and that God didn’t rest on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
 
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