Okay, Seriously...

[Lisa0315]

That post needs to be reported.

The whole thread is full of the same. I'm not reporting it though. I just think it is ironic.

Lisa

 

[Hentenza]

I work in human resources and one of the things I have to teach is harassment. Intent is not even the issue, the legal question is how is it received. What one person finds offensive may not offend someone else.

Yes we should be able to voice our opinions, but it might solve a lot of problems if we stop and ask ourselves: How would an outsider feel about this post? Does this comment glorify God?

That is exactly correct!!! Reps for you.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Flames happen in here due to "labeling" whether its personal or not. I have share my thoughts in another thread I currently belong to.

To label someone as "liberal" or "conservative" or even "fundie" is to immediately introduce a whole host of assumptions about that person's beliefs, conveniently located under the umbrella of that "label". Conservatives Christians are not bad Christians because they are conservative, nor are Liberal Christians evil because they are liberal.

I saw this quote somewhere I liked it. Can't remember who said it but I know it was a Lutheran scholastic.

There should be unity in essentials, liberty in non-essentials, charity in all things. So denominations don’t necessarily suggest disunity. Genuine Christians of different denominations can work together, pray together, and evangelize together.

So we Christians who are genuinely united by God’s Spirit should seek to make visible the invisible unity we all share even though we will disagree on some issues.

I rather be a Christian that is humbled and Scripture-seeking rather than arrogant and smug. I love it that the Apostle Paul, who was willing to confront Peter to his face when the gospel was at stake while at the same time Paul said “live at peace with everyone” if at all possible.

When it comes to "flaming", people often lose their self-control when posting. Some are too zealous for their "beliefs" or "agendas" and forget the sensitivity of others regarding certain topics. Harassment is one of the biggest issues today. Harassment is sin.

In order for us to gain self-control spiritually, give God control over us. When we talk about love, this is not a doormat based on a human point of view, but rather Agape in God's point of view. A Christian will pursue the will of God actively and be enthusiastic and the attitude toward Christ, a Christian will manifest love and burning devotion from the heart. A true Christian zeal is not based on works but proves only that the one who manifests it is healthy, balanced, energetic and actively interested in serving God's will.

 

[Time2BCounted]

so is it generally going to be regarded i this forum that to say 'there are liberals saved and those claiming christianity, and we are supposed to seperate from those expousing liberal doctrine because it waters down scripture' something like this is now considered a flame?

 

[synger]

so is it generally going to be regarded i this forum that to say 'there are liberals saved and those claiming christianity, and we are supposed to seperate from those expousing liberal doctrine because it waters down scripture' something like this is now considered a flame?

In truth, Time, if that sentence were the only text in a post, and it were reported, I'd have to read the post in the context of the thread before I could rule on it. The first phrase makes no sense to me on its own.

I know that's not a very helpful response.

 

[Latreia]

I think one big issue we have about "flames" and reports is with individual people. Some people see "flames" where others do not. Some people ARE predisposed to being defensive and taking things personally where another may not. This is especially true of those with a "victim mentality" where everything that may resound as truth within themselves sets off all sorts of triggers within an individual and then the whole screen is aflame where another not pre-disposed to this thought patterns sees the same page as clear, cool water...

I think this is something that all moderators should be keeping in mind as well... I personally have seen quite a few moderators operate from this mentality in reports (the reports that come to mind have honestly nothing to do with CC).

This is more of a human nature issue where some people are easily offended vs. others... And one, that unfortunately moderators need to take into account as well. Also, one should never let someone operating from a "victim mentality" run roughshod over others who are clearly expressing their opinions and are not slighting others.

Thank you, once again, you offer very calm, clear insights. Whilst reading this thread very carefully, some great ideas came to me. When I try to express them, they will likely take off like a herd of flamingos.....

Recently, I received a pm from other members seeking to solve the problems of flames and reports by not responding and not reporting those we feel are insincere.

Now I think we should take advantage of the "stats" Father Rick presented about the reports. What if we did agree with each other never to post any more reports?

Wouldn't that bring to light who are using the rules against others for the wrong reasons? And would that also let the mods know that us Inner Conservatives are not to blame for the spite and contention?

Consider how we got into the habit of making strong statements and standing us for our rights to believe and express our opinions and even opposition?

Apologetics and debate is the core infection of CF. We are almost trained to express ourselves in battle mode. Those who are much better at playing the game and more coldly clever at manipulation though this mode of communication are winning the battle and the war.

They have almost made us the victims and casualties of our own Christianity.

I am saying this because I have fought and defended my faith for too long not to see how futile it is. We say that God is more powerful than we are and than is our opponents.

Surely God also gave us the intelligence to recognize our downfall was due to our willingness to play their games and subject ourselves to their rules.

Are we defending our faith here, or is this really just a turf war? If so, we lost it already. Now we are trying to come up with other ways of doing the same thing.

How about we stop contending with staff and troublemakers and start coping with the realities in the Light of our Faith?

Can we stop expecting everything from others to help us? Can we stop thinking if we can just manage ways around the trouble, we can overcome it all?

Let's cease trying so hard to make others see our way and start turning to one another to enjoy posting again.

LeeD himself spoke very clearly about part of what he is trying to do here:

If you think you are being flamed, choose *not* to be offended, but instead take a break, and communicate,
rather than escalating or accusing others.

It looks to me like what he is telling us is that we need to relate honestly with each other and stop playing the angry victim card to make trouble or to take revenge.

That means spite reports are out. Period.

That means not relying on staff to make everyone be fair with each other. That does not work, big time.

I have also just read the new system of warnings, infractions, and bans. Take heed of this.

LeeD is serious and he is not Erwin.

I suspected that the recent chaos in CCC were the last chance forays against conservative Christians. Those who oppose us knew well before us that the new owner will not put up with all the nonsense going on for years and escalating in the total ruins we have today.

 

[Nadiine]

Thank you, once again, you offer very calm, clear insights. Whilst reading this thread very carefully, some great ideas came to me. When I try to express them, they will likely take off like a herd of flamingos.....

Recently, I received a pm from other members seeking to solve the problems of flames and reports by not responding and not reporting those we feel are insincere.

Now I think we should take advantage of the "stats" Father Rick presented about the reports. What if we did agree with each other never to post any more reports?

Wouldn't that bring to light who are using the rules against others for the wrong reasons? And would that also let the mods know that us Inner Conservatives are not to blame for the spite and contention?

Consider how we got into the habit of making strong statements and standing us for our rights to believe and express our opinions and even opposition?

Apologetics and debate is the core infection of CF. We are almost trained to express ourselves in battle mode. Those who are much better at playing the game and more coldly clever at manipulation though this mode of communication are winning the battle and the war.

They have almost made us the victims and casualties of our own Christianity.

I am saying this because I have fought and defended my faith for too long not to see how futile it is. We say that God is more powerful than we are and than is our opponents.

Surely God also gave us the intelligence to recognize our downfall was due to our willingness to play their games and subject ourselves to their rules.

Are we defending our faith here, or is this really just a turf war? If so, we lost it already. Now we are trying to come up with other ways of doing the same thing.

How about we stop contending with staff and troublemakers and start coping with the realities in the Light of our Faith?

Can we stop expecting everything from others to help us? Can we stop thinking if we can just manage ways around the trouble, we can overcome it all?

Let's cease trying so hard to make others see our way and start turning to one another to enjoy posting again.

LeeD himself spoke very clearly about part of what he is trying to do here:

If you think you are being flamed, choose *not* to be offended, but instead take a break, and communicate,
rather than escalating or accusing others.

It looks to me like what he is telling us is that we need to relate honestly with each other and stop playing the angry victim card to make trouble or to take revenge.

That means spite reports are out. Period.

That means not relying on staff to make everyone be fair with each other. That does not work, big time.

I have also just read the new system of warnings, infractions, and bans. Take heed of this.

LeeD is serious and he is not Erwin.

I suspected that the recent chaos in CCC were the last chance forays against conservative Christians. Those who oppose us knew well before us that the new owner will not put up with all the nonsense going on for years and escalating in the total ruins we have today.

I agree - lots to absorb in your post.

The problem now seems to be that if you make ANY report, it's considered "spite" (as I noticed yesterday right before the report system was removed).

I have to take into consideration what ERwin's changes did and allowed here... it's obvious that what was done was a sheer catastrophe on many levels.
And it DID turn into a turf war becuz I believe we lost nearly all ground that we once had.

Anyways, good post.

 

[Latreia]

Thanks Nadiine. LeeD and his leadership of Christian Forums is where we need to direct our full attention.

Flaming Christians is going to take on a very special meaning under his plans.

Neither will he allow Christians to be flammed, NOR is he going to put up with Christians who flame others. To me that sounds like THE solution for those who are insincere, in every way.

What he is implementing here is quite clearly members' self-control, and that is all of us.

From his Under New Management OP:

Use the brain God gave you. Think before you post.
Think about how your post may affect someone else.

This is not a suggestion, it is under the Temporary Rules List there. But take heed of the fact it will be very much in the permanent rules.

He has cut cleanly to the very cancer and he is dealing with it.

I plan to cooperate with all my strength.
What others dislike about this new vision and new rules, reassures me that it is going to work. I just want to see it.

BTW, my site supporter status is now paid up through 30th September 2010.

 

[Nadiine]

Thanks Nadiine. LeeD and his leadership of Christian Forums is where we need to direct our full attention.

Flaming Christians is going to take on a very special meaning under his plans.

Neither will he allow Christians to be flammed, NOR is he going to put up with Christians who flame others. To me that sounds like THE solution for those who are insincere, in every way.

What he is implementing here is quite clearly members' self-control, and that is all of us.

From his Under New Management OP:

Use the brain God gave you. Think before you post.
Think about how your post may affect someone else.

This is not a suggestion, it is under the Temporary Rules List there. But take heed of the fact it will be very much in the permanent rules.

He has cut cleanly to the very cancer and he is dealing with it.

I plan to cooperate with all my strength.
What others dislike about this new vision and new rules, reassures me that it is going to work. I just want to see it.

BTW, my site supporter status is now paid up through 30th September 2010.

Latreia, you just confirmed something to me in this post... I had just said this about our motives & activity here in CC in the new thread that I PRAY doesn't turn into WW5 (a few thoughts, by Mnphysicist)

Since we aren't HERE to be defiant, disregard rules by attacking & flaming people & being hostile & combative at everyone, anything implimented on this site shouldn't be a problem to abide by.
Becuz malice and abuse is not our intent in the first place.
I do look forward to a NORMAL section after this split has occurred. I think it can be great in here if we keep the right Godly attitudes.
We are called to fight the good fight & contend earnestly for the faith - on that I will not back down. But the WAY in which we do it must be Godly.
Do it His way and we'll be just fine in here.

I say, let's be like Paul, who was wrongly imprisoned for his faith, yet SANG PRAISES TO THE LORD IN HIS SHACKLES.

I say, praise the Lord!!
Soli Deo Gloria!