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let me try to get this right.. Sorry if I am off the mark.

In order to avoid going to Hell, I have to profess, confirm my belief and love, and soul to God. Not just any God, but the Christian God 'YHWH'

What if I never do any of the above? Do I go to Hell? But i do not believe, so i cannot go to Hell... Can I ??

What if I never confess my sins, as again, I do not believe in the christian ways, so again, I cannot go to Hell.

What if I am not a bad person and have lived a good life, but refuse to accept the christan god, what then?
 

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In order to avoid going to Hell

Avoiding Hell is not the point of heaven. If your looking to goto Heaven just to avoid Hell then your probably going to be disappointed after this life is over.

Heaven is not a meant to be a paradise for us to exploit. Heaven is simply where the presents of God resides, and Hell is the absents of God. If you want to be with God then by default you goto heaven, and if not then Hell is the only place you can be away from Him.

You nor anyone else will get into heaven just because they wish to avoid Hell.
Lets say that for some reason the description for heaven and hell were reversed, and Hell was a literal paradise, (But no God) and Heaven was a fiery pit but God was there.. Would you still want to goto Heaven? (The fiery pit)

If you do not want to be with God when things don't suit you, then why would He want to be with you when/if things do?

Think of your "ticket" to Heaven as more of a relationship rather than a ticket.. A relationship that you have to start and continually maintain.

What if I never do any of the above? Do I go to Hell?
yes

But i do not believe, so i cannot go to Hell... Can I ??
What if you did not believe in Gravity would you no longer be bound to the earth because of your beliefs? then why would you think you would not be bound to the laws and standards of the God who created the gravity you can not escape from no matter what you believe?


What if I am not a bad person and have lived a good life, but refuse to accept the Christian god, what then?
"Good" is relative. "good" our "good" will never be good enough. God has set a standard in which we will never be able to obtain. God knew this so He sent his son to bridge the gap between where your goodness falls short, and His perfect standard.
 
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let me try to get this right.. Sorry if I am off the mark.

In order to avoid going to Hell, I have to profess, confirm my belief and love, and soul to God. Not just any God, but the Christian God 'YHWH'

What if I never do any of the above? Do I go to Hell? But i do not believe, so i cannot go to Hell... Can I ??

What if I never confess my sins, as again, I do not believe in the christian ways, so again, I cannot go to Hell.

What if I am not a bad person and have lived a good life, but refuse to accept the christan god, what then?

What you might want to do is take a closer look at your assumptions and then see.
 
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In order to avoid going to Hell, I have to profess, confirm my belief and love, and soul to God. Not just any God, but the Christian God 'YHWH'

No, you need to recognize that you are a sinner and in desperate need of God's forgiveness. You need to understand and believe that the only one who can save you from the wrath of God that falls upon all those who sin is the Saviour, Jesus Christ. You need to submit your life totally to the will of God.

What if I never do any of the above? Do I go to Hell? But i do not believe, so i cannot go to Hell... Can I ??

Yes, you will go to hell. Why would you think that not believing the above makes you immune from God's condemnation?

What if I never confess my sins, as again, I do not believe in the christian ways, so again, I cannot go to Hell.

Denying the reality of a thing doesn't mean it isn't real. God will hold you accountable for your sin, whether or not you accept the truths revealed in the Bible.

What if I am not a bad person and have lived a good life, but refuse to accept the christan god, what then?

Your very best isn't anywhere close to good enough for a perfectly holy God. That's why you need the righteousness of Jesus imputed to you, why you need to be covered in Christ's perfect righteousness. "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

Peace.
 
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Yes, Magisterfaust, you are off the mark.

You cannot avoid going to a place of perfect justice in the afterlife unless you believe in Christ. And you cannot believe in the one sent, that is Christ, unless you believe in the one who sent Him, that is God the Father.

I am not sure what you are saying here: "I have to profess, confirm my belief and love, and soul to God." The Bible says you must love God with all your heart, your whole being, with nothing held back. And this love and devotion to God also includes Jesus Christ. You must believe from the heart, and thus the idea is not a change of mind, but a change of life.

If you do not believe in Jesus, you will go to a place of perfect justice. So a wise non-believer would be as godly as they could be so as to minimize the wrath they are storing up for themselves.

From God's perspective, we are all "bad" for all have fallen short of the glory of God. So be the best you can be. You hypothetical "good" person will get perfect justice in the afterlife. For example a child or feeble minded person will get perfect justice.
 
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The Bible talks about Hell and Heaven. Why? Because there is hell and heaven....."For God SO loved ____(You), that if You believe in Him, shall not PERISH (Hell for eternity), but have everlasting Life (with God ~ Heaven)....for all eternity....John 3:16.

Receive Jesus Christ into your heart/life.
Jesus gives a person purpose and meaning and changes your life
inside and out, giving you peace, hope, love on earth and eternity with
Him in heaven ~ I'm living proof of this, for once I rejected Jesus Christ as my Savior and Lord, but most of my life a Christian now (age 71).
I went through "It's A Fact," and I am so glad I did - Awesome life in the Lord.

There are seven Facts in God's plan for your new life ~ Salvation, through the Lord, Jesus Christ (leting God take control of ones' life).

It's A Fact: God loves YOU! ~ John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

It's A Fact: You are a sinner (we all have sinned) ~ Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."

It's A Fact: That you are dead in sin ~ Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

It's A Fact: That Jesus Christ, Son of God died for YOU ~ Romans 5:6, 8
"For when we were ye without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."

It's A Fact: That you can be saved by faith in the Lord, Jesus Christ ~ Acts 16:30-31 "And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? (31) And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved, and your house."

It's A Fact: That you can be saved and KNOW it ~ 1 John 5:10-13 "He that believes on the Son of God has the wintess in himself: he that believes not God has made him a liar; because he believed not the record that God have of his Son. (11) And this is the record, that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. (12) He that has the Son has life, and he that has not the Son of God has not life. (13) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God: that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God."

If you have done all the above....

It's A Fact: That you are now a Child of God, and you are to obey Him ~ Acts 3:29 "Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."

Just pray to Him: "I believe in my heart by faith that you are Jesus ~ Son of God, who died on the cross for our sins. Forgive my sins. I want to be your Child, and have that new life through You. In Jesus Name, Amen."
 
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What if I never confess my sins, as again, I do not believe in the christian ways, so again, I cannot go to Hell.


I never understood how someone...anyone...could logically come to this conclusion. I really dont get it.
 
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Being willfully ignorant isn't going to keep you from hell. The bible says that just seeing Gods creation you will therefore be without excuse. Your also not getting or understanding why Christ died for you. Please visit http://www.livingwater.com/good/
 
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let me try to get this right.. Sorry if I am off the mark.

In order to avoid going to Hell, I have to profess, confirm my belief and love, and soul to God. Not just any God, but the Christian God 'YHWH'

What if I never do any of the above? Do I go to Hell? But i do not believe, so i cannot go to Hell... Can I ??

What if I never confess my sins, as again, I do not believe in the christian ways, so again, I cannot go to Hell.

What if I am not a bad person and have lived a good life, but refuse to accept the christan god, what then?
God is putting creation to rights. Ultimately you can come on board from that, or be excluded from it. But there is no middle ground to stand on.
 
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Being willfully ignorant isn't going to keep you from hell. The bible says that just seeing Gods creation you will therefore be without excuse. Your also not getting or understanding why Christ died for you. Please visit http://www.livingwater.com/good/

Willffull ignorance??!! Please explain.

I never understood how someone...anyone...could logically come to this conclusion. I really dont get it.

What exactly is it that you dont get?
 
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let me try to get this right.. Sorry if I am off the mark.

In order to avoid going to Hell, I have to profess, confirm my belief and love, and soul to God. Not just any God, but the Christian God 'YHWH'

What if I never do any of the above? Do I go to Hell? But i do not believe, so i cannot go to Hell... Can I ??

What if I never confess my sins, as again, I do not believe in the christian ways, so again, I cannot go to Hell.

What if I am not a bad person and have lived a good life, but refuse to accept the christan god, what then?

Don't think about God as a "Christian God". He is just God. Out there. Somewhere. Close to us. Hearing everything, watching everything. He is the God that is alive and that hears you. Speak to Him. He is like a person. He likes to talk, He likes to listen to you. Speak and search and you will be lucky. Make time for Him. Is there anything that reminds you of God? Nature, music, art, space...anything? Then use that to connect with God in your thoughts. God is love. You are His creation and His child because He breathed His spirit into each of us. He loves you. He cannot not love you. You are precious to Him. He is the father that you could only dream about. He is as best friend as they come (or maybe should I say: they don't come like that).

Jesus Christ took the cross, so that we wouldn't have to. Jesus Christ feels our pain. He is in pain with us. He is in pain of the cross, He is in pain of our pain now, He is in pain because He longs for us to come to Him, but we just ignore Him. He is a man of sorrows and familiar with suffering. He takes most of the suffering upon Himself and we only have some part of it because we could never drink the bitter cup that He drinks. He is like a father who is protecting his child from most of the pain, while He himself takes most of it upon Himself. He feels what we feel. When He punishes us, He feels our pain. He prefers to reward us. But we are so rebellious...

God is fair and righteous. He will judge people according to their hearts, according to what they heard and knew, according to how they behaved in view of what they knew. He said that those who knew more would be beaten more (if they disobeyed).

If you have sinned against His laws (which you had, everybody has), He will have to punish you. Who knows what kind of punishment it would be. People claim they know, but I don't think so. It could be a remorse. Imagine feeling the greatest depression for a while as a remorse over what you have done... But regardless, He will do what needs to be done.

So if you know the right thing to do, DO IT and you will do yourself a favor.
The Christian God is the only God that loves the humankind. The only God that gave His life for human kind. The only God that loves to death the human kind. But like a responsible parent He would have to take care of the rebellious and wicked and spank them. But in the end, people will all realize that He was right and be grateful to Him for whatever He did.

He is allowing bad things to happen in order to have people repent. If people repent in this life, it will be much easier for them and they will get rewards. If not, something not so pleasant is expecting them. (although it's NOT ETERNAL hell.)


But to believe in Jesus now is the greatest treasure one could ever find. But most people are too blind to realize it. So they waste this life, this investment which God gave them in pursuing NOTHING (aka: worldly treasures) when there is a pearl of undescribable value is there for the taking...

But God knows ALL. He knows those who can't believe, and He will judge accordingly. He is merciful and compassionate. His only desire is for everybody to stop doing wickedness (to repent) and then it says: "He will freely pardon". But people persist in doing wickedness, in being selfish, in hurting each other. God is watching and everything is being recorded in His book.
 
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Dear magisterfaust. To be in hell means to be without God, a place without Love or Light, a place in Outer Darkness. You describe yourself as not bad, but you are quite happy to be without God. God is Love, and since Love does never force or coerce, you are free to go where God is not. It is a decision you, yourself make. As a Christian , I am most surprised that you truly mean what you say. May I say this with love, I remember our Lord Jesus saying, while He was hanging on a Cross, " Father forgive them, they do not know what they do." There is still time for you to change your mind, magisterfaust. Our God is a God who listens when we pray, and as long as you are sincere, it is up to you. Keep going your own way, OR follow Jesus back to God. He will show you the way, in fact He is THE WAY. Just ask and you will be answered, Jesus will know how sincerely you accept Him as your Saviour. I send greetings to you. Emmy, sister in Christ.
 
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Some of the replis are very...definite in the individuals beliefs. Just because I do not believe, it does not mean that there is no god....

Err!! yeah, maybe, but the reverse applies... Just because some one does believe, it don't mean that there is a god.. S it looks like we at a stale-mate situation.
 
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Some of the replis are very...definite in the individuals beliefs. Just because I do not believe, it does not mean that there is no god....

Err!! yeah, maybe, but the reverse applies... Just because some one does believe, it don't mean that there is a god.. S it looks like we at a stale-mate situation.

Well, you're asking this question of Christians, so you are getting responses from people who believe in God and everything Jesus has done for us.
 
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So...to have non belief in something of which there is no proof of its existence is willfull ignorance?

Man, I took this position for years. I used to tell my Christian friends that God would have to come down here and present Himself tangibly before I would ever believe that He even existed. I'm glad I realized how dumb this idea was.
 
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Man, I took this position for years. I used to tell my Christian friends that God would have to come down here and present Himself tangibly before I would ever believe that He even existed. I'm glad I realized how dumb this idea was.


why such a dumb idea ??
 
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