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Yep. My Neice has two children . A boy and then a girl. The boy loved to have his nails painted. He also went with mom and sister to have a pedicure. So what? He also loves wrestling and baseball, soccer etc. It was no big deal. It was similar in my family growing up. Us four younger kids switched off playing games more boyish and girlish. two boys two girls. So what.
 
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I didn't say that, you did. So what if a little boy does that?
He's not conforming to his prescribed gender role. Mental illness, right?
Your daughter is 40 years old. Why should you do anything?
She's not conforming to her prescribed gender role, Mental illness, right? Or maybe she's acting that way on purpose in which case I can denounce her as a grievous sinner. She seems quite happy and successful in her sinful lifestyle and is a bad influence on other women. How can we let this go on?
 
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I don't know. It's you that wants to make an issue of it, to not allow it in schools,
 
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I don't know. It's you that wants to make an issue of it, to not allow it in schools,
No, it's not me. It is you forcing your ideology on peoples children these days. Children of the state mentality stuff. Thats the difference. People will be what they will be. Leave our kids alone, and stop attempting to take control of manipulating them. Look how well you have done getting a hold f them in college. It works for you. Leave our younger kids alone.
 
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There's no virtue in struggling to stay afloat financially and neither is it a sin so I'm not sure of your point.

You asked what the church should do. I had already made clear what I thought. If the church took care of the poor, your complaints about gov't aid would be non-existent. But, of course, Christians are not united in such a way that would make that logistically feasible. If those in need of financial assistance, as a whole, waited on the church for help, they would be out of luck. Thank God for gov't aid. If in your time of need, you choose to not take advantage of the help that is available because of reasons, I support you in that. But I still don't understand why you would begrudge that help to others.
 
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I doubt that.
Read my posts concerning my own family. My Neice and her son, and and daughter as well as my brothers and sister playing together as kids.
You guys make us out to be something that you actually are. Your view of us is not reality.
The difference you would make of a boy liking to have his nails painted (on his hands) and a pedicure, with his mom and sister. My brothers and sister playing both types of games. Playing house (for us girls), then cops and robbers (for the boys) etc.
It is you guys who over react to that stuff. Way over the top! My brothers and nephew would have been convinced they were girls. Geesh.
 
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So why fight it? Recognize and allow those kids those traits even in their school years. Let them understand that's not a big deal. Maybe if they weren't shamed and bullied about it they wouldn't feel so trapped that they wanted genital surgery.
People are just people.

Don't let someone charge you hundreds of thousands of dollars to cut you up. Just be you. Then if you ever don't like something you just change it to whatever new things you want to do and be.
If they want the surgery when they are of age then it's none of my business and does me no harm at all.
 
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Why are you fighting it? Let them decide as adults for crying out loud. You do for your kids what you believe is right, let others do the same.
 
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We may overreact, but at least were not shaming and bullying nor denying them help in understanding their feelings--in Christ's name.
 
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Why are you fighting it? Let them decide as adults for crying out loud. You do for your kids what you believe is right, let others do the same.
No. I think I have a duty to help protect all kids from having your rigid standards of gender conformity imposed on them.
 
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We may overreact, but at least were not shaming and bullying nor denying them help in understanding their feelings--in Christ's name.
LOL, another mischaracterization. Just over reaction, control freaks or something. Or Marxism at work.
 
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There's no virtue in struggling to stay afloat financially and neither is it a sin so I'm not sure of your point.
You said: If you have to ask, me saying so isn't going to change a thing. You're right. You're a conservative, and that is just how you are. May you never be in need. Amen.

Since you decided to evade my question and make it about me, I figured you should actually know what you're talking about along those lines. Someone in my situation is often in need throughout their life.
I was asking what you think the church should do, as opposed to what is currently doing, since you're saying the church needs to do better. Do better in what way?
If in your time of need, you choose to not take advantage of the help that is available because of reasons, I support you in that. But I still don't understand why you would begrudge that help to others.
I begrudge impractical poorly executed policies to help. I begrudge money being recklessly thrown at anyone who asks. Like thousands who just want to lay around stoned all day. Like thousands who just wants free stuff. Like millions who pour into the country illegally because they expect to get lavished with free stuff. The problem is so many taking advantage of as in exploiting the welfare system, because it's so easy to exploit. And the left just wants to keep making easier for them and give them even more free stuff financed though meager incomes like mine and printing out imaginary money.
 
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No. I think I have a duty to help protect all kids from having your rigid standards of gender conformity imposed on them.
Yeah, other peoples kids are to be subject to your views and values. Their parents are reduced to mere breeders of the state.
And what rigid standards have I displayed in real life?
 
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Read my posts concerning my own family. My Neice and her son, and and daughter as well as my brothers and sister playing together as kids.
I have not diagnosed any of your family members with a mental illness. Nor do I think the professionals who actually make diagnoses would need to do so for your family members, who appear to be displaying perfectly ordinary behavior.
 
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Recognize and allow those kids those traits even in their school years.

Who wouldn't if it was their child. Most people would within the limits of reason, however I would never call my child by another name or pretend they were something they weren't.

The only things people are against, as a matter of law and conscious and I agree is:

1.) that schools notify parents of goings on at school with their children, especially as concerns behavior that needs parental guidance.

2.) That children not be removed from custodial parents for refusing to "transition" their child

3.) That underage children are not surgically mutilated - it should be illegal

4.) That puberty blockers not be used on children. They're harmful.

If someone wants to surgically transition they can do so of their own accord after they are of legal age...
 
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I have not diagnosed any of your family members with a mental illness.
No you would just think them transgender and encourage that idea, because YOU BELIEVE that is A PROPER DIAGNOSIS.
Nor do I think the professionals who actually make diagnoses would need to do so for your family members, who appear to be displaying perfectly ordinary behavior.
Yeah a boy enjoying his nails being painted, and pedicures, Is ordinary behaviors for some boys. Pink being a favorite color, can be normal for some boys.
 
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