Of course you know about the religious right...

[BCP1928]

Apparently, after all those shots of prominent republicans in drag have turned up, the far right seems to have backed off on it. I don't see much of it in my everyday life, so it seems to be more of a ruse to rile the suckers. And I wonder if anyone has the statistics on the number of drag queens who have shot up elementary schools.

Not many, I would think. They're too busy trying to turn kids gay by reading to them.

 

[rjs330]

The concept of "opposite sex's spaces" and how they are to be designated is also a cultural artifact.

Of course they are and they always have been. And sometimes there are very good and legitimate reasons for having those spaces. Like women's locker rooms or women's sports.

 

[rjs330]

Not many, I would think. They're too busy trying to turn kids gay by reading to them.

Misnomer. They are not trying to turn kids gay. They are trying to turn them queer. Which is not the same thing.

 

[BCP1928]

And yet here we are having discussions. You don't have to respond. On a forum where we discuss opinions, ideas, ideology, etc. there are going to be things we agree on and those we don't. You have no obligation to discuss anything you don't wish to. But don't say something and expect people not to respond.

Oh, I expect a response, but I was hoping for a response to something I said rather than to something said by people I don't know and probably wouldn't agree with.

 

[BCP1928]

Misnomer. They are not trying to turn kids gay. They are trying to turn them queer. Which is not the same thing.

What's the difference you see in that? From my understanding of the terms they can't do either.

 

[rjs330]

What's the difference you see in that? From my understanding of the terms they can't do either.

I won't dive into the differences, you can do your own research on that. I would also do some research into how kids are very susceptible to be influenced into something. It's not done by some magic wand it's done by bombarding kids with thought and ideas.

They are very susceptible to the things they are told.

Young Children Are Especially Trusting of Things They’re Told

Little kids believe the darnedest things. For example, that a fat man in a red suit flies through the air on a sleigh pulled by reindeer. A new study on three-year-olds, published in Psychological Science, …

www.psychologicalscience.org

 

[The Barbarian]

Not many, I would think. They're too busy trying to turn kids gay by reading to them.

Oh, right. That's why republicans are trying to shut down libraries. Reading is the beginning...

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

While I am thankful for this country, and do what I can to support it, and pray to The Lord to protect and help; I don't pledge to a flag - "no King but Jesus" .

allegiance​

noun​

al·le·giance ə-ˈlē-jən(t)s

Synonyms of allegiance
1a: the obligation of a feudal vassal to his liege lord
b(1): the fidelity owed by a subject or citizen to a sovereign or government

(2): the obligation of an alien to the government under which the alien resides

2: devotion or loyalty to a person, group, or cause

 

[Merrill]

Oh, right. That's why republicans are trying to shut down libraries. Reading is the beginning...

They are not trying to "shut down libraries"

just stop

As I said on another thread, school districts and librarians have always had authority to select texts that will be made available to students. Books that are deemed inappropriate for younger students are excluded, along with texts that are of low quality. There have been parents and activists on the left and right who have complained about certain books, tried to get them excluded, etc. The right hates things like "Daddy's Roommate", while the left wants Huckleberry Finn taken off the shelves.

As for governors passing edicts or supporting laws that would limit certain texts from being included in schools, I don't generally support that. It is up to the school districts and the parents to decide which books will be excluded (but I can see why some governors are taking action).

no one is stopping you from getting a book from Amazon, getting it from the local public library, etc.

 

[The Barbarian]

They are not trying to "shut down libraries"

Just any books that they think might contradict their prejudices.

As I said on another thread, school districts and librarians have always had authority to select texts that will be made available to students. Books that are deemed inappropriate for younger students are excluded, along with texts that are of low quality.

And the far right now wants to be the arbiter of what is "inappropriate" and "low quality." We all get that.

As for governors passing edicts or supporting laws that would limit certain texts from being included in schools, I don't generally support that.

It's the new conservatism. Worship of the state is now a requirement.

no one is stopping you from getting a book from Amazon, getting it from the local public library, etc.

And this is what is infuriating the whackos. They intend to go far beyond the schools in suppressing any ideas they don't like:

A Virginia legislator is suing Barnes & Noble to block the book chain from selling two "obscene" books to minors without parental consent. The move comes as conservative lawmakers across the country seek to ban schools and libraries from offering books with content they find objectionable.

Tim Anderson, a Republican lawyer who serves in the Virginia House of Delegates, said he filed a lawsuit on behalf of his client, Tommy Altman, who is running for Congress. Altman, who describes himself as a disabled veteran, states in a campaign video on his website that he is running to protect freedom, including the right to free speech.

In a May 18 Facebook post, Anderson said he is seeking "a restraining order against Barnes and Noble and Virginia Beach Schools to enjoin them from selling or loaning these books to minors without parent consent." The books in question are "Gender Queer," a memoir by Maia Kobabe; and "A Court of Mist and Fury," a fantasy novel by Sarah J. Maas.

"Gender Queer" was named the No. 1 challenged and censored book of 2021 by the American Library Association's Office for Intellectual Freedom.

The suit against Barnes & Noble comes amid a push by conservatives to rein in discussions and content about issues that some find objectionable, such as Florida's "Don't Say Gay" law, which restricts teachers and school districts from discussing issues such as gender identity in the classroom from kindergarten through the third grade. But most of those efforts have focused on public schools and libraries, rather than a private business.

Barnes & Noble pressured to restrict sales of 2021's most banned book

Virginia lawmaker says retailer should obtain parental consent before selling two "obscene" books to minors.

www.cbsnews.com

Stephen King has become a special target for their hatred:
When it comes to book bans, Stephen King wants young people to make sure they “find out what they don’t want you to read”.

There has been a “dramatic expansion of book banning” across the US in recent years according to PEN America, with 41 per cent of the books banned in schools across the 2021-22 school year containing LGBTQ+ characters or themes.

Many books (40 per cent) that were targeted contained a character of colour, and a further 21 per cent directly addressed issues of race and racism.

It’s all part of a “coordinated campaign”, PEN believes, coming amid wider efforts to erase LGBTQ+ people from classrooms and public life.

Stephen King rallied against these bans on Twitter, urging school children to get their hands on banned books.

King wrote: “Hey, kids! It’s your old buddy Steve King telling you that if they ban a book in your school, (go) to the nearest bookstore or library ASAP and find out what they don’t want you to read.” (warning: very mild profanity on this site)

Stephen King shares advice for young people whose schools are banning books

When it comes to book bans, Stephen King wants young people to make sure they "find out what they don't want you to read".

www.thepinknews.com

 

[Merrill]

Just any books that they think might contradict their prejudices.

And the far right now wants to be the arbiter of what is "inappropriate" and "low quality." We all get that.

It's the new conservatism. Worship of the state is now a requirement.

And this is what is infuriating the whackos. They intend to go far beyond the schools in suppressing any ideas they don't like:

A Virginia legislator is suing Barnes & Noble to block the book chain from selling two "obscene" books to minors without parental consent. The move comes as conservative lawmakers across the country seek to ban schools and libraries from offering books with content they find objectionable.

Tim Anderson, a Republican lawyer who serves in the Virginia House of Delegates, said he filed a lawsuit on behalf of his client, Tommy Altman, who is running for Congress. Altman, who describes himself as a disabled veteran, states in a campaign video on his website that he is running to protect freedom, including the right to free speech.

In a May 18 Facebook post, Anderson said he is seeking "a restraining order against Barnes and Noble and Virginia Beach Schools to enjoin them from selling or loaning these books to minors without parent consent." The books in question are "Gender Queer," a memoir by Maia Kobabe; and "A Court of Mist and Fury," a fantasy novel by Sarah J. Maas.

"Gender Queer" was named the No. 1 challenged and censored book of 2021 by the American Library Association's Office for Intellectual Freedom.

The suit against Barnes & Noble comes amid a push by conservatives to rein in discussions and content about issues that some find objectionable, such as Florida's "Don't Say Gay" law, which restricts teachers and school districts from discussing issues such as gender identity in the classroom from kindergarten through the third grade. But most of those efforts have focused on public schools and libraries, rather than a private business.

Barnes & Noble pressured to restrict sales of 2021's most banned book

Virginia lawmaker says retailer should obtain parental consent before selling two "obscene" books to minors.

www.cbsnews.com

Stephen King has become a special target for their hatred:
When it comes to book bans, Stephen King wants young people to make sure they “find out what they don’t want you to read”.

There has been a “dramatic expansion of book banning” across the US in recent years according to PEN America, with 41 per cent of the books banned in schools across the 2021-22 school year containing LGBTQ+ characters or themes.

Many books (40 per cent) that were targeted contained a character of colour, and a further 21 per cent directly addressed issues of race and racism.

It’s all part of a “coordinated campaign”, PEN believes, coming amid wider efforts to erase LGBTQ+ people from classrooms and public life.

Stephen King rallied against these bans on Twitter, urging school children to get their hands on banned books.

King wrote: “Hey, kids! It’s your old buddy Steve King telling you that if they ban a book in your school, (go) to the nearest bookstore or library ASAP and find out what they don’t want you to read.” (warning: very mild profanity on this site)

Stephen King shares advice for young people whose schools are banning books

When it comes to book bans, Stephen King wants young people to make sure they "find out what they don't want you to read".

www.thepinknews.com

The left has embarked on plenty of book banning efforts:

Book banning is a bipartisan game

Hey, check out those conservative yahoos in Alaska! They’re banning Invisible Man and The Great Gatsby! Liberals are making fun of a school board in Alaska...

www.dallasnews.com

" two New Jersey lawmakers introduced a resolution urging schools to drop Huck Finn, which uses the N-word more than 200 times. The book’s language “can cause students to feel upset, marginalized, or humiliated and can create an uncomfortable attitude in the classroom,” the resolution declared."

and I would look at this and decide for yourself if books like "All Boys Aren't Blue" belong in school libraries

The Left Twists the Meaning of “Book Ban”

What’s being removed from school libraries is material entirely inappropriate for students. Don’t believe me? Pornographic examples below.

www.city-journal.org

and the we have leftist employees of book-sellers demanding the sellers stop carrying books they disagree with

Amazon Staff Demand Ban of Books Calling Transgender People Mentally Ill

(Bloomberg) -- A group of Amazon.com Inc. employees plans to march in Seattle’s Pride Parade on Sunday to protest the online retailer’s sale of books they consider anti-transgender—an action that threatens to erode the company’s image as an inclusive employer.Most Read from BloombergTrump’s...

finance.yahoo.com

or authors, activists, and book agents demanding the entire publishing industry not publish Trump's memoirs

Hundreds of writers and book agents sign joint letter demanding publishing industry bans Trump memoir

More than 250 signatories say there should be no book deals for ‘an administration that caged children’ and encouraged a ‘coup’

www.independent.co.uk

and history tells us that your buddies who ran the Soviet Union or China weren't exactly supporters of a free press. The far left has a 100+ year history of throwing people in prison for writing books.

 

[BCP1928]

The left has embarked on plenty of book banning efforts:

Of course they have, and will no doubt do it again. It was all pretty silly. Now the right wants their own chance to be silly. Why should we let them?

 

[Merrill]

Of course they have, and will no doubt do it again. It was all pretty silly. Now the right wants their own chance to be silly. Why should we let them?

as I mentioned above, I don't support state-wide legislation dictating what books can't be carried by school libraries

not because I think objectionable or degenerate books should be in school libraries, but that I think school boards and local officials + parents should decide on what books are found in the libraries.

But we have to understand that there are small book publishers who are not out to "educate" kids--they are out to push fringe ideologies, and their own political objectives, often under the guise of "inclusiveness". They publish poor-quality, objectionable materials. The public should be aware of this.

The left (or anyone else) would not want a fringe publisher to start putting "The Turner Diaries", translated copies of Der Sturmer, or antisemitic propaganda films in the form of DVDs on the shelves of a junior-high school library. The idea that there should be absolutely no guidelines or limits as to what can go into school libraries, as long as the ideology found within the materials lean left, is absurd

 

[Bradskii]

The public has been pretty clear for the last few years

Indeed. Seen the news about Greece recently?

 

[Merrill]

Indeed. Seen the news about Greece recently?

The same-sex marriage thing?

Not really what I was talking about. That is more of a civic or political issue

I was speaking more on entertainment, business advertising, or even woeness within Christian churches themselves

 

[The Barbarian]

The fun part is that by publicizing the efforts of these weirdos, kids can quickly find alternative sources for the books that MAGA people want to ban.

So, as shown, their next move is to try to keep booksellers from stocking books they don't like. It never ends just at schools.

 

[Bradskii]

The same-sex marriage thing?

Not really what I was talking about. That is more of a civic or political issue

It was a religious issue. Even the headlines reflect that:

Greece becomes first Orthodox Christian country to legalise same-sex marriage

Greece's parliament has approved a bill allowing same-sex couples the right to wed and adopt children after decades of campaigning by the LGBT community for marriage equality in the socially conservative country.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Merrill]

It was a religious issue. Even the headlines reflect that:

Greece becomes first Orthodox Christian country to legalise same-sex marriage

Greece's parliament has approved a bill allowing same-sex couples the right to wed and adopt children after decades of campaigning by the LGBT community for marriage equality in the socially conservative country.

www.abc.net.au

So the Greek Orthodox Church now permits gay marriage?

 

[Bradskii]

So the Greek Orthodox Church now permits gay marriage?

Nup. They were against it. It was a religious views versus a secular one.

Do you see which way attitudes are heading?

 

[Merrill]

Nup. They were against it. It was a religious views versus a secular one.

Do you see which way attitudes are heading?

You really think the majority of people are far-left progressives? I would invite you to think again

Go look at what is happening to mainline Protestant Christian denominations and liberal churches. They are losing members by the day, going into schism, or failing altogether. Meanwhile, traditional Christian denominations are thriving

On the secular level, nationalism, and even far-right parties are ascendent in Europe and South America.

Open borders, mass-immigration, demographic and religious replacement, authoritarian socialism, climate hysteria, transgenderism, identity politics --all this stuff is being called into question and rejected.

what happens in the near future is hard to say, but I wouldn't assume the radical left is going to carry the day