Objectively - what if the Sabbath is true (unedited) and evolution is wrong? What are the consequences?

[sparow]

It is interesting, the Pharisee's changed the Law from perfect and good to a heavy load and unpleasant, and they did that without changing a written word; for the Pharisee's to say Jesus broke the Law, merely means Jesus had a different perception of what was Lawless and Lawful (without changing what is written) than what the Pharisee's had.


I do not believe any written Law has changed, but the Law across the board is executed differently. The Sanctuary services are performed once, but their duration is eternal; as High Priest Jesus performs each duty once. Jesus has performed the Passover as the Lamb, maybe He still has to perform the Passover as High Priest; He still has to perform the day of atonement, also known as “cleansing the sanctuary”, which follows the gentiles treading the sanctuary underfoot for 2300 days; which begs the question, whose sins are cleansed and whose blood is used?


Baptism is a sanctuary duty of a priest (washing away sin) now performed once, the duration of which is eternal; keeping the Sabbath was not a sanctuary service uniquely performed by a priest, but is something the congregation does and the weekly practice will become or is eternal.

 

[rturner76]

Murdering on Monday is not what will make you right in the eyes of God but a relationship with Christ in faith.

Who wants to murder on Mondays if they are God fearing?

 

[Icyspark]

Who wants to murder on Mondays if they are God fearing?

Who wants to trample on the Lord's day if they are God fearing?

 

[rturner76]

Who wants to trample on the Lord's day if they are God fearing?

Well, my church has services on Saturday as well as Sunday and every other day of the week. So there is no trampling on the Sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Well, my church has services on Saturday as well as Sunday and every other day of the week. So there is no trampling on the Sabbath.

What is your church primary day of worship? God did not tell us to keep everyday holy, or the Sabbath was everyday - if the Sabbath was everyday nothing would get done. God only asked us to keep the seventh-day Sabbath holy Exodus 20:8-11 and deemed all other days working days, not holy days. Exodus 20:9

 

[BobRyan]

Well, my church has services on Saturday as well as Sunday and every other day of the week. So there is no trampling on the Sabbath.

In the Bible there is a day that God says in sanctified, blessed, made holy, set apart and called "the Sabbath" (not merely "an hour") - "the Holy Day of the Lord". In the Bible God says it is the 7th day. Ex 20:10. But not everyone agrees with that so opinions may vary on what a given person chooses to do whether that be to edit/delete/keep that day or not.

In this thread we select one of the many ways people view it - and ask the question "What if this particular POV is correct?".
As per the OP the one we are testing/evaluating is the following
1. the seventh day of Gen 2:1-3, and Ex 16, and Ex 20:8-11 is the Sabbath , "the Holy day of the Lord" (Not simply "holy hour of the Lord")
2. It has not been edited
3. It has not been deleted
4. The ten commandments have not been deleted, abolished, done away with .. .they remain
5. The same 7 day sequence at Sinai in Ex 20:8-11 is what we are seeing in Gen 2:1-3 for the creation of all life on Earth, our atmosphere our solar system.
6. So it is an entire day - set aside as a "day of holy convocation" Lev 23:3 - the 7th day of the week.
7. It is an entire day set aside such that no secular work is done on that day Is 58:13
8. It is a day of rest, worship, evangelism, time with God, and one may also relieving the suffering of others on that day.

So then clearly the doctrine on origins proposed in evolutionism's teaching - is not accurate... in fact not historically accurate in terms of "What happened in nature" in real history.

Be that as it may as we consider this particular scenario -- what are the consequences in your POV?

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Given that scenario - the question this thread is exploring is "what are the consequences of that being true"?

 

[rturner76]

In the Bible there is a day that God says in sanctified, blessed, made holy, set apart and called "the Sabbath" - "the Holy Day of the Lord". In the Bible God says it is the 7th day. Ex 20:10. But not everyone agrees with that so opinions may vary on what a given person chooses to do whether that be to edit/delete/keep that day or not.

In this thread we select one of the many ways people view it - and ask the question "What if this particular POV is correct?".
As per the OP the one we are testing/evaluating is the following
1. the seventh day of Gen 2:1-3, and Ex 16, and Ex 20:8-11 is the Sabbath , the Holy day of the Lord
2. It has not been edited
3. It has not been deleted
4. The ten commandments have not been deleted, abolished, done away with .. .they remain
5. The same 7 day sequence at sinai in Ex 20:8-11 is what we are seeing in Gen 2:1-3 for the creation of all life on Earth, our atmosphere our solar system.
6. So it is an entire day - set aside as a "day of holy convocation" Lev 23:3 - the 7th day of the week.
7. It is an entire day set aside such that no secular work is done on that day Is 58:13
8. It is a day of rest, worship, evangelism, time with God, and one may also relieving the suffering of others on that day.

So then clearly the doctrine on origins proposed in evolutionism's teaching - is not accurate... in fact not historically accurate in terms of "What happened in nature" in real history.

Be that as it may as we consider this particular scenario -- what are the consequences in your POV?

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Given that scenario - the question this thread is exploring is "what are the consequences of that being true"?

I don't disagree being that my church worships 5 times a day every day Saturday included.

 

[rturner76]

What is your church primary day of worship? God did not tell us to keep everyday holy, or the Sabbath was everyday - if the Sabbath was everyday nothing would get done. God only asked us to keep the seventh-day Sabbath holy Exodus 20:8-11 and deemed all other days working days, not holy days. Exodus 20:9

My church has Mass 5 times a day every day so Saturday is covered

 

[BobRyan]

I don't disagree being that my church worships 5 times a day every day Saturday included.

I would hope that we all engage in worship 7 days a week. But that was not the subject of my prior post

as we can all see

In the Bible there is a day that God says in sanctified, blessed, made holy, set apart and called "the Sabbath" (not merely "an hour") - "the Holy Day of the Lord". In the Bible God says it is the 7th day. Ex 20:10. But not everyone agrees with that so opinions may vary on what a given person chooses to do whether that be to edit/delete/keep that day or not.

In this thread we select one of the many ways people view it - and ask the question "What if this particular POV is correct?".
As per the OP the one we are testing/evaluating is the following
1. the seventh day of Gen 2:1-3, and Ex 16, and Ex 20:8-11 is the Sabbath , "the Holy day of the Lord" (Not simply "holy hour of the Lord")
2. It has not been edited
3. It has not been deleted
4. The ten commandments have not been deleted, abolished, done away with .. .they remain
5. The same 7 day sequence at Sinai in Ex 20:8-11 is what we are seeing in Gen 2:1-3 for the creation of all life on Earth, our atmosphere our solar system.
6. So it is an entire day - set aside as a "day of holy convocation" Lev 23:3 - the 7th day of the week.
7. It is an entire day set aside such that no secular work is done on that day Is 58:13
8. It is a day of rest, worship, evangelism, time with God, and one may also relieving the suffering of others on that day.

So then clearly the doctrine on origins proposed in evolutionism's teaching - is not accurate... in fact not historically accurate in terms of "What happened in nature" in real history.

Be that as it may as we consider this particular scenario -- what are the consequences in your POV?

====================================

Given that scenario - the question this thread is exploring is "what are the consequences of that being true"?

My church has Mass 5 times a day every day so Saturday is covered

ok - "I will bite" as the saying goes --- So then in your church skipping Sunday Mass and attending on Tuesday each week instead - is just fine.???

In your church is it "any day you wish is the Sabbath?" or " any one day in seven as long as you dedicate an entire day once every seven days?"

 

[SabbathBlessings]

My church has Mass 5 times a day every day so Saturday is covered

From catholic.com

Did the Early Church Move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday?

Some people believe that Catholics worship on the Sabbath, but the early Church moved the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Is this true? Find out here.

www.catholic.com

They admit Sunday is the primary day of worship.

They also have admit they changed the Sabbath without biblical authority. God said we cannot edit His commandments. Duet 4:2 but did warn us this would happen not on His authority. Daniel 7:25

Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

 

[rturner76]

ok - "I will bite" as the saying goes --- So then in your church skipping Sunday Mass and attending on Tuesday each week instead - is just fine.???

In your church is it "any day you wish is the Sabbath?" or " any one day in seven as long as you dedicate an entire day once every seven days?"

It's more like Sunday is a requirement but you have an opportunity to attend mass any day of the week. Saturdays included.

 

[rturner76]

From catholic.com

Did the Early Church Move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday?

Some people believe that Catholics worship on the Sabbath, but the early Church moved the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Is this true? Find out here.

www.catholic.com

They admit Sunday is the primary day of worship.

They also have admit they changed the Sabbath without biblical authority. God said we cannot edit His commandments. Duet 4:2 but did warn us this would happen not on His authority. Daniel 7:25

Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

Well you can go to church any day of the week so the sabbath is covered by Saturday mass

 

[Icyspark]

Well, my church has services on Saturday as well as Sunday and every other day of the week. So there is no trampling on the Sabbath.

You can worship God any day you desire. Trampling takes place when one treats something which God says is blessed and holy as something common and ordinary. You don't get to decide your birthday. You don't get to decide to change America's Independence day to May the fourth no matter how much the force is with you.

 

[BobRyan]

It's more like Sunday is a requirement

More likely based on what? Scripture? Do you have a scripture saying that something is a requirement for Sunday from scripture?

but you have an opportunity to attend mass any day of the week.

No doubt prayer meetings , religious gatherings are had any and every day of the week as we would expect.

That is not what the Sabbath Commandment addresses. That is another topic altogether.

 

[BobRyan]

Well you can go to church any day of the week so the sabbath is covered by Saturday mass

Only if the Sabbath Commandment is not about a day set aside for worship.