Objective evidence of God

[Subduction Zone]

By whom?

Survey: Atheists, Agnostics Know More About Religion Than Religious : The Two-Way : NPR

You must have heard of this.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are contradicting yourself. If you don't know enough about Islam you can't make your claims. You can't know they are true if you can't even know what you are talking about in the first place. You do not know all people, all Muslims, all Christians to make any broad statements about their beliefs. You may have many opinions about many things about their religions but you don't know and can't know your statement is true.

Logic fail on your part again.

 

[Godisgood12]

Objctive, testable, physical evidence of God, is there any?

My good friend AV says there isn't. I happen to agree with him. What say you?

Oh no, living and breathing doesn't exist according to your assumption.

 

[Godisgood12]

Logic fail on your part again.

I know so much about science I reject it. LOL.

no science...no. NO!

 

[Oncedeceived]

Your question proves my point.

How were the fossils formed? Why do we see them in the order that we do? Remember that there are serious problems with the order of life in the Bible. It has some of them correct but not all.

You are one of the most illogical people I think I have ever conversed with on this board other than consol and his sock puppets.

The fossils were formed when the life formed died and was preserved. Pretty simple answer there don't you think?

The sequences are not a serious problem. How do you rate serious and why?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Logic fail on your part again.

Oh really, how did I fail according to SZ?

 

[Godisgood12]

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[Subduction Zone]

You are one of the most illogical people I think I have ever conversed with on this board other than consol and his sock puppets.

The fossils were formed when the life formed died and was preserved. Pretty simple answer there don't you think?

The sequences are not a serious problem. How do you rate serious and why?

Yes, too simple. You are going to have to do better than that.

Please, of course the sequences are important. You need to say what your time spans are. How and why animals came about. Are you claiming a new creation event for every species? That is a whole lot of creating.

Of course I can't debunk you if you make such general claims that they are worthless.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh really, how did I fail according to SZ?

Look at the part of my post that you edited out.

 

[Godisgood12]

Look at the part of my post that you edited out.

I edit all your posts out, just for fun.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Survey: Atheists, Agnostics Know More About Religion Than Religious : The Two-Way : NPR

You must have heard of this.

I had not. I stand corrected. I am appalled. I have spent years, literally years and years studying all religions.

 

[Godisgood12]

Please, of course the sequences are important.

All things are important.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Yes, too simple. You are going to have to do better than that.

What do you want the details of the process of fossilization?

Please, of course the sequences are important. You need to say what your time spans are. How and why animals came about. Are you claiming a new creation event for every species? That is a whole lot of creating.

I believe in evolution SZ.

Of course I can't debunk you if you make such general claims that they are worthless.

Well we will see when I have the time to put forth my claims. Right now it is too late to start.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Look at the part of my post that you edited out.

What are you talking about. I quoted the full posts. Where are you claiming I edited your post?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Objctive, testable, physical evidence of God, is there any? My good friend AV says there isn't. I happen to agree with him. What say you?

objective evidence
Information based on facts that can be proved through analysis, measurement, observation, and other such means of research.

1. One would have to have a infinite mind to argue there is "No God". But that could be the same for a Flying Spaghetti Monster.

2. One could observe life as being created by God as stated in his word, or one could observe the universe as something that evolved as stated by Darwin.

3. If you could measure any attributes of God then I would say it's not God. The Bible says God is light. So, I would ask if darkness is the absence of light, What is the measurement for the absence of darkness?

4. As for other means of research that Science uses; I would ask one question like science does If God did have observable evidence, would He be infinite, if He was fully understood by the finite mind?

 

[Subduction Zone]

What are you talking about. I quoted the full posts. Where are you claiming I edited your post?

You are right, you did. I should have said that you ignored the first part of it:

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No, that does not follow. As I said, no one strictly follows their own religion.

I don't know enough about Islam, but I do know enough about Christianity to show that this is true. I do know enough about people to know that my statement is true."

Since no one strictly follows their own religion it does not really matter if most interpretations of Islam rule out Allah directly contacting someone. People believe what they want to believe when it comes to their contact with "god", whatever form he comes in. Plus even you admitted that they could have the equivalent to your contact with God. A Muslim's contact with a prophet is not ruled out and it is really no different from Christians claims of contact with God.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And goodnight.

 

[biggles53]

biggles biggles. You are one sharp cookie, I don't understand what you are not getting here. The conclusion is indeed subjective. The evidence is objective.



Ahhhhh, are you thinking that objective evidence means proof? It doesn't you know.

No I am not...I'm a mathematician, so I know the limits of 'proof'....What I am saying is that, in order for you to have objective evidence for, well anything, the evidence must link specifically and directly to that thing you are claiming......to assert that the existence of trees is a piece of objective evidence for a god is ridiculous in that there is no specific link between the two....trees only become evidence for a god in the minds of those who so choose to view them that way...!

Objective evidence should be free of personal interpretation....any person should be able to examine it and come to the same conclusion as to what it represents...

Take another example.....you (sometimes) have claimed that your 'experience' of a god's presence is evidence for you that such a being exists....Fine, but this is 'evidence' that exists only for you and perhaps for a minority if people like you who claim a similar phenomenon.....it is NOT evidence which can be universally examined, nor is it evidence that others could link specifically to your claim....it's subjective evidence....

 

[Mr Strawberry]

The problem is that all religions, not just Christianity have that sort of "evidence". Your personal experience will be comparable to the personal experience of a Muslim or a Hindu.

Or anyone else with an invisible friend. "Sorry, my invisible friend only speaks to me."

 

[FredHoyle]

No I am not...I'm a mathematician, so I know the limits of 'proof'....What I am saying is that, in order for you to have objective evidence for, well anything, the evidence must link specifically and directly to that thing you are claiming......to assert that the existence of trees is a piece of objective evidence for a god is ridiculous in that there is no specific link between the two....trees only become evidence for a god in the minds of those who so choose to view them that way...!

Objective evidence should be free of personal interpretation....any person should be able to examine it and come to the same conclusion as to what it represents...

Take another example.....you (sometimes) have claimed that your 'experience' of a god's presence is evidence for you that such a being exists....Fine, but this is 'evidence' that exists only for you and perhaps for a minority if people like you who claim a similar phenomenon.....it is NOT evidence which can be universally examined, nor is it evidence that others could link specifically to your claim....it's subjective evidence....

Once already knows all of this, she just chooses to ignore it because it's not what she wants to believe.
Her belief in Christianity is her choice and has nothing to do with whether it's right, wrong, true or false, it's just what she has chosen to believe.

She knows the existence of a tree no more points to a God than it does to her, what she does know however is that she wants to believe there is a God somewhere who is not going to let her die when her time comes, she also knows it's a long shot but she feels it's better to believe than to not believe, from what she has told us she allows her feelings to govern her life.