Obedience

[Rajni]

diamberth, then to you who alone is the one and only true God? Then from where do you get your idea?

Your bible answers this rather well:

Romans 1:20 - "For since the creation of the world God's
invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have
been clearly seen, being understood from what has been
made, so that people are without excuse."
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In other words, one doesn't need sacred texts to comprehend God.

What is His name? My God has a name.

There's only one God, and He goes by many names.

Then that Word reveals to me why we are not in paradise is because a great deceiver, Satan, the highest angel in Heaven got uplifted in himself and thought to wrest the rule of Heaven from His own Righteous Creator and so there was war and He and the angels that were with Him were cast to our earth and now Satan since overcoming Adam who was the earth's king under God, usurped that position and so now we live under his tyrannical rule, he is stated by the Word to now be the king of this world.

Your bible states that "where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is
freedom". So what's with this 'tyrannical rule' you say you're living
under?

For unity and harmony among us I think it will only take a little bit of Love, Compassion, Forgiveness and Service to those in need...that's all. That IS the same Spirit when we all partake in those kinds of heart centered actions. No belief involved, no dogma, no One True Wayism...just Love..

Amen.

Just like the bible mentions about the fruit of the Spirit being love, joy,
peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and
self-control. And these are fruits that aren't limited to just Christians.

Just like Satan who thought to know "GOOD" better than God;;;, man has entered also to do that.

What you're witnessing in this thread isn't "man thinking he knows
'good' better than God". What' you're witnessing is the fact that God
works through all mankind, regardless of which religious 'tribe' they've
signed up with, if any.

As your bible even says:

"The true light that gives light to every man was coming
into the world." John 1:9

"God gives the Spirit without limit." ~ John 3:34

"God works in different ways, but it is the same God who
does the work in all of us." ~ 1 Corinthians 12:6
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God isn't just working through/with card-carrying members of the
Christian Club.

No the Qur'an is not worth a nickel because it is not the Word of God

Well, technically, your bible isn't the Word of God either, and your bible
even suggests as much when it indicates that Jesus (not a book) is the
Word of God.

dlamberth, Satan and his angels is who we as Christians are in warfare against.

I thought Jesus won the victory over satan, sin, death, etc.?
Jesus says if you come to him, he will give you rest, for his yoke is
easy and his burden is light. Warfare isn't easy or light, so what's up
with that?


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[Gibs]

Re 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

These armies are in heaven so they are riding "horses" on the same order as Christ, these go through space, special horses we know nothing of.

1 Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[smaneck]

These armies are in heaven so they are riding "horses" on the same order as Christ, these go through space, special horses we know nothing of.

Is heaven out in space?

 

[Gibs]

You got it, sure not here on earth!

1 Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[smaneck]

You got it, sure not here on earth!

So an astronaut could go there? Or an unmanned aircraft?

 

[gord44]

I wouldn't call Zoroastrianism pagan. In fact I would argue it is the earliest form of ethical monotheism.

agreed.

 

[Gibs]

So an astronaut could go there? Or an unmanned aircraft?

If I remember, Enoch stated God was in the seventh heaven and none of sin can enter there, would be consumed even if they could finally reach there.

God only knows how many light years from this little speck of earth.

1 Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

If I remember, Enoch stated God was in the seventh heaven and none of sin can enter there, would be consumed even if they could finally reach there.

God only knows how many light years from this little speck of earth.

Wait, wait, wait.

You believe that heaven can be found at a physical location. Out there. Within this universe.
PLEASE tell me you are kidding.
Where do you think hell is? Underneath our feet? Do you also think that the sun is a great light affixed to the roof of the sky, or that the moon is supposed to be a lamp fashioned to illuminate the night? What about rain? Just cosmic water from beyond the dome of heaven, let in by opening its floodgates?

 

[smaneck]

If I remember, Enoch stated God was in the seventh heaven and none of sin can enter there, would be consumed even if they could finally reach there.

Do you consider the Book of Enoch scripture? It isn't in the Bible? Are there scriptures outside of the Bible?

 

[Gibs]

There is no end to God's creation in any direction, it is beyond our comprehension to realize of the infinite, we are finite. And you need also to know, that in the endlessness of it God is there and even knows the count of the hairs on your head at any moment!

Yes God does have a physical Presence of which now we would be consumed in a flash.

Enoch was well known to most of the Bible writers. He was quoted some in the NT as some things of the OT are.

God dictated to Enoch face to face the things he was to write and then sent him back to earth to give to men and they were to keep them through to the consummation of which now we are very close.

Yes dear ones, "time" as we know it is soon to end!

1 Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[smaneck]

And you need also to know, that in the endlessness of it God is there and even knows the count of the hairs on your head at any moment!

Yes God does have a physical Presence of which now we would be consumed in a flash.

Let me get this straight. God has a physical body but He is everywhere at the same time? Please explain.

Enoch was well known to most of the Bible writers. He was quoted some in the NT as some things of the OT are.

Good that you know that. So why isn't Enoch in the Bible?

 

[Gibs]

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

There has been one exception, one man who has seen God face to face and it was Enoch, the scriptures state, and God took him. He now holds a high position next to God in Heaven

When John made this statement no man on earth had ever seen God and Enoch was taken.

Joh1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

We know too from this,

Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

1 Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[smaneck]

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Yet you insisted He has a *physical* presence. Which is it?

There has been one exception, one man who has seen God face to face and it was Enoch, the scriptures state, and God took him.

Uh, not according to the Bible.

Exodus 33:11
And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.
Deuteronomy 34:10
And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face.

He now holds a high position next to God in Heaven

But you haven't answered my question. Why isn't the Book of Enoch in the Bible?

When John made this statement no man on earth had ever seen God and Enoch was taken.

Joh1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Except John wasn't just talking about people alive at that time.

Seems to me you've got some contradictions to work out.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Of course, Enoch's presence in heaven also contradicts the whole "only Jesus saves"-paradigm, because obviously, Enoch lived long before Jesus's sacrifice, and yet supposedly made it into heaven just fine.

 

[smaneck]

Of course, Enoch's presence in heaven also contradicts the whole "only Jesus saves"-paradigm, because obviously, Enoch lived long before Jesus's sacrifice, and yet supposedly made it into heaven just fine.

So did Elijah. In fact, that was the reason Jews believed Elijah would return, because he never died.

Sound familiar?

Yet Jesus insisted that John the Baptist fulfilled that prophecy.

 

[Gibs]

If you remember, God had Moses hide in the cleft of the rock there and God held His hand over it while He passed by.

ex 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Ex 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
Ex 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

1 Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[dlamberth]

Let me get this straight. God has a physical body but He is everywhere at the same time? Please explain.

Gibs is Panentheist?

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[Gibs]

Don't ya figure that since we are made in his image that he can be seen. Don't you yet know that our eyes are not open yet to see the spirit beings of which we are surrounded.

We will have our eyes opened in time, in His timing to see them. We have two Holy angels to one of the evil as we know Satan only got a third of em to go with him!

Your two guardian angels you do not see. But mine have rescued me more than once.

Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

1 Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[smaneck]

If you remember, God had Moses hide in the cleft of the rock there and God held His hand over it while He passed by.

Okay, so we have a contradiction with Deuteronomy 34:10.
It wouldn't be the first time.

You still haven't answered my question as to why the Book of Enoch is not in the Bible.

 

[smaneck]

Don't ya figure that since we are made in his image that he can be seen.

I think we are in God's image in the sense we share God's spiritual attributes, not that He looks like us.

We will have our eyes opened in time, in His timing to see them.

You do realize that when Paul talks about seeing face to face he is talking about spiritual discernment?

Your two guardian angels you do not see. But mine have rescued me more than once.

Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Doesn't say anything about each of us having two of them.

Still waiting to hear the answer to your question as to why the Book of Enoch is not in the Bible.