Obama pro/con

[Scribbler]

Are you saying he's wrong? Or just that what he's saying makes you uncomfortable? Because he's definitely not wrong. Most white people in America do feel an innate fear and anxiety towards people of other cultures, simply because they have not been exposed to them sufficiently.

Yes, I am saying he's wrong. Do you have proof of otherwise?

You can deny it and pretend that Obama is somehow racist, or you can do the brave, moral thing and say, "Hey, he's right. Let's work on this."

So, by default, if I 'pretend' Obama is racist, I'm doing the cowardly, immoral thing, right? For someone who decries 'mudslinging' and 'personal attacks', you seem to resort to them pretty quick, Dan.

Assuming it is true...if I find something 'most black people do', and I see one of them doing it, am I allowed to say 'typical black person'?

 

[Grizzly]

I think Obama's biggest problem is that he is overestimating Americans. His speech this week was probably one of the best speeches I have heard in a long time. He could have taken the easy road out but he didn't. He actually started an intelligent discussion about race relations in America. But are Americans ready for an intelligent discussion? The evidence I have seen from the mouth-breathers that want to do nothing but tear us down, is that we we are not ready.

 

[Scribbler]

The evidence I have seen from the mouth-breathers that want to do nothing but tear us down, is that we we are not ready.

I agree..he should have stopped going to that church a long time ago.

 

[Dannager]

Yes, I am saying he's wrong. Do you have evidence of otherwise?

I'll look for some of the studies. I know they've been done. When I show them to you, though, are you prepared to concede the point?

So, by default, if I 'pretend' Obama is racist, I'm doing the cowardly thing?

If you refuse to acknowledge reality because it makes you uncomfortable, you are being cowardly. If you pin that discomfort on the person who shows you reality, that's even worse.

Assuming it is true...if I find something 'most black people do', and I see one of them doing it, am I allowed to say 'typical black person'?

Yes, that in fact would be the proper use of the word "typical" - describing a property that most members of a set possess.

 

[Dannager]

I agree..he should have stopped going to that church a long time ago.

You really don't want to be proving Grizzly right here by becoming an example of the sort of person he's describing.

 

[Scribbler]

I'll look for some of the studies. I know they've been done. When I show them to you, though, are you prepared to concede the point?

Sure, provided it's a valid study, and not some dated info from 'SurveyUSA.com' like your last display of proof.
If I find one that says most white people AREN'T afraid/anxious of other cultures, are you willing to do the same?

If you refuse to acknowledge reality because it makes you uncomfortable, you are being cowardly. If you pin that discomfort on the person who shows you reality, that's even worse.

Obama's claims have yet to be proven a reality, and assuming it was, in what way would that make me 'uncomfortable'?

Yes, in fact, that in fact would be the proper use of the word "typical" - describing a property that most members of a set possess.

So, if George Bush or somesuch did the same, wouldn't there be an outcry of 'racist'?

 

[Scribbler]

You really don't want to be proving Grizzly right here by becoming an example of the sort of person he's describing.

Now you're accusing me of wanting to tear race relations in America down? Reverend Wright has more racist things coming out of his mouth than you'll ever hear coming out of mine, Dan.

You can take that to the bank.

 

[Grizzly]

Now you're accusing me of wanting to tear race relations in America down? Reverend Wright has more racist things coming out of his mouth than you'll ever hear coming out of mine, Dan.

You can take that to the bank.

Reverend Wright ne Obama.

that's a mathematical fact.

 

[Dannager]

Sure, provided it's a valid study, and not some dated info from 'SurveyUSA.com'.

You might not be aware of this, but SUSA is actually a pretty well-respected polling agency. It usually deals with election polls, though, so you're not likely to find something on racial relations in their repertoire.

If I find one that says most white people AREN'T afraid/anxious of other cultures, are you willing to do the same?

I'm more than happy to compare studies.

So, if George Bush or somesuch did the same, wouldn't there be an outcry of 'racist'?

Probably. That doesn't mean it would be justified.

 

[Grizzly]

I agree..he should have stopped going to that church a long time ago.

But I liked Obama's explanation about how he condemns the message, but understands the anger. Reverend Wright is like the crazy uncle in the family. He says stuff you disagree with all the time, but you can understand why he says it and you can't really disown him.

 

[Dannager]

Now you're accusing me of wanting to tear race relations in America down? Reverend Wright has more racist things coming out of his mouth than you'll ever hear coming out of mine, Dan.

You can take that to the bank.

And yet you don't need to spout racist vitriol to do harm to racial relations. I was cautioning you against becoming an example of the knee-jerking, unthinking masses that Grizzly highlighted.

 

[Scribbler]

And yet you don't need to spout racist vitriol to do harm to racial relations. I was cautioning you against becoming an example of the knee-jerking, unthinking masses that Grizzly highlighted.

Thanks for the words of caution, but I'm pretty comfortable in my own skin. Should you have any more criticism, It might be better directed towards those doing actual harm to said relations, lest you become another knee-jerk closed minded follower of the Obamassiah. I suspect many of us arguing against Wright on this board aren't doing so because we want to tear race relations or Obama down, despite your repeated accusations. Most Americans find Wrights comments offensive and divisive. If Obama wants to hold the highest office in this land, we have a right, and an obligation, to find out just how much Wright's vitriol has influenced him, and shouldn't apologize for it, nor be attacked for it.

Isn't that a sentence you'd agree with?

 

[dlamberth]

I agree..he should have stopped going to that church a long time ago.

If Obama is being spiritually fed while attending his Church, I see no reason why he should stop going.

.

 

[Sphere]

It's so amusing to see you conservatives stumbling over irrelevant issues regarding Obama.

 

[Markus6]

Thanks for the words of caution, but I'm pretty comfortable in my own skin. Should you have any more criticism, It might be better directed towards those doing actual harm to said relations, lest you become another knee-jerk closed minded follower of the Obamassiah who firmly believe he can do no wrong. I suspect many of us arguing against Wright on this board aren't doing so because we want to tear race relations or Obama down, despite you repeated accusations. Most Americans find Wrights comments offensive and divisive. If Obama wants to hold the highest office in this land, we have a right, and an obligation, to find out just how much Wright's vitriol has influenced him, and shouldn't apologize for it, nor be attacked for it.

Isn't that a sentence you'd agree with?

Well if you listen to Obama he makes it clear that he is against Wright's offensive and divisive words. Are you saying Obama may have been influenced but is lying to us and will become a racist once he gets in office? Is he a closet racist and a closet muslim? How exactly do we find out how much he has been influenced if you don't trust his words? Waterboarding?

 

[Scribbler]

Well if you listen to Obama he makes it clear that he is against Wright's offensive and divisive words.

Really? Why did he put him on an Spiritual Advisory Committee, then?

Are you saying Obama may have been influenced but is lying to us and will become a racist once he gets in office? Is he a closet racist and a closet muslim?

No, I'm not. Are you putting words in my mouth and inventing beliefs for me?

How exactly do we find out how much he has been influenced if you don't trust his words? Waterboarding?

Me? I keep track of his speeches and see if they display ignorant, stereotypical statements about white people. I generally distrust all politicians until they prove
otherwise... not just the ones in the other party.
Concerning how he really feels about Wright, I would check and see if Obama's actions match his words, like say...distancing himself from Wright BEFORE
he became a political liability. You know, rejecting Wright because of his racist and ignorant vitriol because it's DIVISIVE, not becuase it hurts his campaign.

Hope this helps.

 

[JGL53]

Really? Why did he put him on an Spiritual Advisory Committee, then?


No, I'm not. Are you putting words in my mouth and inventing beliefs for me?


Me? I keep track of his speeches and see if they display ignorant, stereotypical statements about white people. I generally distrust all politicians until they prove
otherwise... not just the ones in the other party.
Concerning how he really feels about Wright, I would check and see if Obama's actions match his words, like say...distancing himself from Wright BEFORE
he became a political liability. You know, rejecting Wright because of his racist and ignorant vitriol because it's DIVISIVE, not becuase it hurts his campaign.

Hope this helps.

Barack Obama recently gave a speech on race and race relations. All you had to do is listen to it and understand it.

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[RealDealNeverstop]

Pretty bold claims. I would ask for supporting evidence but apparently this is a Christian board where such divisive and vitrion language against other Christians needs no support.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

White peeps are generally afraid of other cultures. Where do you think line dancing came from?

 

[NPH]

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but for those interested in the whole story behind "America's chickens coming home to roost" here you go. For all the rest, ignore and continue to spew as you wish.

The full story behind Rev. Jeremiah Wright's 9/11 sermon

One of the most controversial statements in this sermon was when he mentioned &#8220;chickens coming home to roost.&#8221; He was actually quoting Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan&#8217;s terrorism task force, who was speaking on FOX News. That&#8217;s what he told the congregation.