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NeTrips

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“We don't have slave masters, we got mayors," Meeks said then while preaching. "But they are still the same white people who are presiding over systems where black people are not able to be educated. You got some preachers that are house n------. You got some elected officials that are house n------. Rather than them try and break this up, they're gonna fight you to protect that white man.”
-- Sen. Barack Obama's pledged superdelegate from Illinois, state senator James Meeks.
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Rev.James.Meeks.2.330702.html

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What Did Barack Obama Not Know, And When Did He Not Know It?
 
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Haha, still harping on the discredited Canada-NAFTA story, huh? Your sources utterly lack credibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFTAgate#Clinton.2FObama_NAFTA_leak_controversy

The Obama campaign memo story was overwritten by the substantiated Clinton campaign conversation. It appears, from everything uncovered at this point, that the Clinton campaign - not the Obama campaign - was responsible for the NAFTA "grain of salt" comment.

Next time you try to smear someone, make sure you're smearing the right person.
 
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Nah, I was misunderstanding your words, sorry. I thought you were saying that the black supremacist undertones present in his recent controversial speech were present in every speech he gave and the church was primarily racist. If you're just saying that he focuses on race issues a lot then, although these two sermons are all I've seen, I've got a suspicion that you're right. In my experience churches have an unfortunate tendency to focus on one issue (the issue their pastor is particularly strong on or one that is particularly relevant to their community) and neglect others. Osteen does it with prosperity, Phelps does it with condemnation of homosexuality, my pastor does it too and I suspect yours has a bias towards a certain issue as well. Although I don't think it's healthy for a church I'm not going to judge him for it.

And no, I don't particularly like his style and I wouldn't go to his church, I'm just convinced a lot of the negativity thrown in his direction is unwarranted.
was it just me ? Or did obama blame america for his pastors hate speech?
 
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-- Sen. Barack Obama's pledged superdelegate from Illinois, state senator James Meeks.
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Rev.James.Meeks.2.330702.html

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What Did Barack Obama Not Know, And When Did He Not Know It?
Name one of McCain's superdelegates. How exactly is Obama responsible in any way, shape, or form for this guys views?
was it just me ? Or did obama blame america for his pastors hate speech?
I think he said America used to trade slaves too! The guy clearly hates America!
 
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If you dont know what it means, how can Wright be criticized.

Actually, I know what it means. That was just a rhetorical question. I get the impression that you don't know what it means.

If you dont know why 9E happened, again, how can Wright be criticized? See everyone, not all Repubs are talking point toe liners! :)
See, Wright is saying that it was chickens coming to roost. He is saying that 9/11 resulted from something that the US did in the past. What did the US do in the past that provoked or resulted in 9/11.
 
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Sen. Obama Doesn't Really BELIEVE That "Black Power" Stuff, Does He?




Gee, I dunno. Why don't you read the "Black Power System" theology of Trinity United Church of Christ that Sen. Obama had to personally affirm in order to be a member.

What the heck is Sen. Obama's call to "disavow middle classness?" According to Vallmer Jordan, a church member who helped draft the Black Values System, they were designed to empower the black community and counter a value system imposed by whites.

"Any black person who identifies himself as middle-class psychologically withdraws from the [black] group and becomes a proponent of strengthening and sustaining the [white] system."

All over America, we evil, middle-class white people can only hope Sen. Obama will heal our souls. And who knows--with his economic policies, Sen. Obama might even wipe out the middle class altogether!

http://thenaturaltruth.blogspot.com/2008/03/sen-obama-doesnt-really-believe-that.html
 
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Anyone who knows how Sen. Obama spent the past 20 years worth of Sundays and isn't re-considering their support for him should be ashamed of himself. Even if you conclude that he's still the best candidate in the bunch (and that ain't sayin' much), this new information has to be taken seriously. Anyone who doesn't has consumed far more Kool-Aid than the Recommended Democrat Allowance.
http://thenaturaltruth.blogspot.com/2008/03/im-obama-supporter-but.html
 
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was it just me ? Or did obama blame america for his pastors hate speech?
it wasn't just you.

But going back and re-reading Sen. Obama's comments for the third time, there is a word that is glaring in its absence:

Wrong.

Oh, Sen. Obama used it quite a bit. The Rev. Wright was wrong on one or two details about American life. Wright's critics are wrong to overlook all the good things that the racist minister did when he wasn't spouting Black Liberation idiocy. The American people, black and white, have handled race relations all wrong.

The one person in all of America, apparently, who hasn't gotten anything wrong? Barack Obama.

Like Dick Cheney seeking the ideal vice presidential candidate for George W. Bush, Sen. Barack Obama has searched the land for a single, righteous man on the issue of race--and found himself alone.
http://thenaturaltruth.blogspot.com/2008/03/barack-obamas-under-bus-speech.html
 
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I think Obama is a candidate of the highest caliber. I plan on voting for him for president.

I think being in Iraq for the next 100 years is a stupid idea - especially from a guy who may be senile as he can't tell one Muslim or Arab group from another.

Obama '08
 
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Guess who else has gotten chummy with Rev. Wright?

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Mr. Wright was invited to the 1998 prayer breakfast, and in addition, he received a thank-you note from former President Clinton for his expressions of support about six weeks later.

And according to the newly released schedules of Mrs. Clinton by the National Archives of her years as first lady, she was in attendance, too.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/photograph-of-bill-clinton-and-rev-wright-surfaces/
 
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I think it is white people in general. Based on his support of Wright , his comments about white people (his grandmother) and his writings, I believe that if elected, his chief goal will be to represent the black population at the expense of the white population. He's not prepared to represent or to serve all of America
As all can clearly see, Obama DOES have a history of representing all, regardless of race. Obama has already shown that he does bring together diverse groups as well as helping those in need. Contrary to your hyperbole, as a legislator, Obama does not have a history of representing one racial group over another. We have real history to look at to see that you are wrong.

You need to look beyond your narrow focus of Wright (Wright is not Obama) and look AT the man named Obama and what HE has said and what HE has done.

To me, your looking rather silly with all of this continuing nonsense. I suggest, instead of watching Fox News, that you start looking at Obama's actual legislative history to see what he will or will not do.

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Are you saying he's wrong? Or just that what he's saying makes you uncomfortable? Because he's definitely not wrong. Most white people in America do feel an innate fear and anxiety towards people of other cultures, simply because they have not been exposed to them sufficiently. You can deny it and pretend that Obama is somehow racist, or you can do the brave, moral thing and say, "Hey, he's right. Let's work on this."
 
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