Obama pro/con (7)

[CaDan]

So was Hitler only motivated by his humanity, ordering death of millions? And Pol Pot, only motivated by politics when he conducted the killing fields? And Sadam Hussein and his son's only motivated by a desire for totalitarian control, when they gassed the Kurds, and hung people on meat hooks, and operated rape rooms? I think not, those guys were monsters, spiritually sick, spiritually twisted and motivated by an evil dark world of demons.

I am not going to silently stand by while a demon influenced canditate named after a demonic spirt named "twisted" runs for US President.

I take it you're not a big fan of Calvin's concept of total depravity.

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

I take it you're not a big fan of Calvin's concept of total depravity.

I think she's not a big fan of Africans.

 

[LetHeavenFillyourThoughts]

If you resist him, he will flee from you.

 

[tulc]

God bless Israel !!!

...and help her do right by the Palestinian people.
tulc(looking for more coffee)

 

[mont974x4]

Obama gave a heck of a speech in Berlin, way better than the one give by JFK back when. E.g., Obama didn't say " I am a citizen of Berlin." in German. That was downright UnAmerican - I think JFK might have been a secret Muslim.

And, just like Reagan at the U.N., Obama said he was, besides an American, a "citizen of the world." He is letting Republicans know that he, Obama, is the new Reagan, and that if they are smart they will vote for him and not McCain, who probably can't even find the U.S. on a map anymore.

If obama is the "new reagan" I'm the new rosie odonnel

 

[tulc]

So was Hitler only motivated by his humanity, ordering death of millions?

I''m sorry, but I have to call a Godwin on you, you lose 10 yards and have to justify invoking Hitler in a discussion about names.

And Pol Pot, only motivated by politics when he conducted the killing fields? And Sadam Hussein and his son's only motivated by a desire for totalitarian control, when they gassed the Kurds, and hung people on meat hooks, and operated rape rooms? I think not, those guys were monsters, spiritually sick, spiritually twisted and motivated by an evil dark world of demons.

...and all that was because they had bad names?

I am not going to silently stand by while a demon influenced canditate named after a demonic spirt named "twisted" runs for US President.

uhmmm other then maybe disagreeing with you about certain issues what is demonic about Obama? Is it his policy on taxes or foreign affairs or what?
tulc(really is curious)

 

[tulc]

If you resist him, he will flee from you.

You do realize disagreeing with you isn't the same as disagreeing with God, we agree on that much, right?
tulc(likes to be clear about things)

 

[tulc]

If obama is the "new reagan" I'm the new rosie odonnel

If I remember correctly Reagan started out as a Democrat, and people always seemed to dismiss him as "just an aging actor", right before he handed them their heads.
tulc(voted for Reagan every time he ran and I could vote, until he convinced me to become a Democrat)

 

[mont974x4]

obama has nothing in common with Reagan, in fact his ideals are in direct opposition to Reagans.

I don't make the mistake of dismissing obama. I fully recognize the danger he poses to my country. Unfortunately mccain isn't much better.


The status quo of both mainstream parties is what convinced me to become a libertarian.

 

[JoyJuice]

If obama is the "new reagan" I'm the new rosie odonnel

Hi Rosie

 

[LetHeavenFillyourThoughts]

It is not that every name in the world is associated with a demon, however, if the person was ritualistically named in a ceremony crafted to engage a demonic spirit to a person at birth, as Senator O's greatgrandfather was, and it is understood at the time to be a generational invocation then that is a whole different ball of wax than picking a name from baby naming book and having a parent apply it to the baby. Such a sprirtism naming ceremony as practiced in Luo culture is serious spiritism, and has the power to in involk a lifelong relationship with that spirit.

Don't believe in all this spirit stuff ?... go to some place like Kathmandu and take a short trip to Parping, to the Dakshinkali Temple...and you'll find it's real alright, but I truly hope you leave your experience there alone, if you know what I mean!

 

[tulc]

obama has nothing in common with Reagan, in fact his ideals are in direct opposition to Reagans.

Really? The direct opposite? Are you sure?

I don't make the mistake of dismissing obama. I fully recognize the danger he poses to my country. Unfortunately mccain isn't much better.

I don't mean to belabor this, but those were almost the exact words people would use when they talked about Reagan.

The status quo of both mainstream parties is what convinced me to become a libertarian.

as is your right.
tulc(voting for Obama, because I honestly believe he'll be a good President)

 

[mont974x4]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure his policies are direct opposition to Reagans ideals. I think most socialists are.

 

[mont974x4]

glitch double post

 

[tulc]

It is not that every name in the world is associated with a demon, however, if the person was ritualistically named in a ceremony crafted to engage a demonic spirit to a person at birth, as Senator O's greatgrandfather was, and it is understood at the time to be a generational invocation then that is a whole different ball of wax than picking a name from baby naming book and having a parent apply it to the baby. Such a sprirtism naming ceremony as a Luo is serious spiritism, and has the power to in involk a lifelong relationship with that spirit.

So what ever your Grandfather did is binding on you even if you're a Christian, made no such agreement, never beat the blocks together and have no clue that it happened? So you believe Obama's grandfathers ceremony (which you have no way of knowing if it even occurred) is stronger then God's redeeming power? I'm going to have say, I do find that hard to believe.

Don't believe in all this spirit stuff ?... go to some place like Kathmandu and take a short trip to Parping, to the Dakshinkali Temple...and you'll find it's real alright, but I truly hope you leave your experience there alone, if you know what I mean!

No see I believe in Spirit stuff, it's your ideas I don't believe, see the difference?
tulc(is just trying to be clear)

 

[JustOneWay]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure his policies are direct opposition to Reagans ideals. I think most socialists are.

If this is true then Obama won't be giving amnesty to illegal aliens like Reagan did for 1.7 million in 1986

and....

Obama wont be exchanging weapons for hostages


I hope Obama is nothing like Reagan

 

[tulc]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure his policies are direct opposition to Reagans ideals. I think most socialists are.

hmmm well you have the right to believe that also.
tulc(not sure what makes Obama a socialist but, hey I've lived communally for the last 30 years, what do I know?)

 

[JoyJuice]

If this is true then Obama won't be giving amnesty to illegal aliens like Reagan did for 1.7 million in 1986

and....

Obama wont be exchanging weapons for hostages


I hope Obama is nothing like Reagan

nor will Obama purposely undermine the middleclass or will his admin help set up terrorist Islamic maddrasses; like Reagan did.

 

[Morcova]

So was Hitler only motivated by his humanity, ordering death of millions?

Who knows? Perhaps it was his chrisitan upbringing.

Or hey, maybe he was just a nutjob..

You decide.

 

[LetHeavenFillyourThoughts]

In the case of Senator O, what matters is what transpired when his great grandfather received his name when he was a baby, which was that he got the spirit of a Luo, so called ancestoral spirit, called a juogi, but Christian would call a fallen angel or demon.

We can be confident it occured because it was the cultural norm, AND because Senator O's Great-Great-grandfather had a different name which was Obiyo, so we have evidence from the record that Senator O did not inherit his great-great grandfather's name, Senator O got his great grandfather's new name in a purposeful Luo naming ritual, a spiritism ritual, which again is highly probable since it was the cultural norm in those days mid in Alego, Kenya.