Obama pro/con (4)

[Lanakila]

I know of life long democrats that are racists. Yes they are throwbacks to an earlier time in our history but their votes still count and if they stay home because they won't vote republican either that will mean Obama just might lose. There are plenty of reasons to not vote for Obama that have nothing to do with race so I don't think that race will be the deciding factor but it could play a part.

 

[NeTrips]

I love reading the right-wing comments about Obama, they are truly desperate. Let's not talk about his policies, let's just try to attack him personally. Character is the name of the game because we can't win on George W. Bush policies and propping up McCain (we don't even like him). So since we don't like out candidate, we might as well try to attack the other candidate to lower his support.

One thing though, if we do decide to attack policies, it's usually just making stuff up. You know it's made once we slap socialist or Marxist into the statements. For those of you who want to save time, you can just skip over those posts, they're smears anyway not substance.

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I actually think the threads speak for themselves, Obama 1000+ posts vs. McCain < 200 posts. Methinks some people are scared and they have resorted to rabid tactics.

psst - Bush isn't running.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

I know of life long democrats that are racists. Yes they are throwbacks to an earlier time in our history but their votes still count and if they stay home because they won't vote republican either that will mean Obama just might lose. There are plenty of reasons to not vote for Obama that have nothing to do with race so I don't think that race will be the deciding factor but it could play a part.

Thanks for being honest.

 

[Anglian]

In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile, and any Christian who would make anything about Mr. Obama's skin colour has some repenting to do.

The Clintons are formidable campaigners and have thrown everything (including the kitchen sink) at him, and Mr. Obama is still standing, still smiling, and still speaking about hope. There is a huge need to reengage many Americans with the political system, and if he does nothing else, Mr. Obama is doing that.

Peace,

Anglian

 

[fated]

In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile, and any Christian who would make anything about Mr. Obama's skin colour has some repenting to do.

The Clintons are formidable campaigners and have thrown everything (including the kitchen sink) at him, and Mr. Obama is still standing, still smiling, and still speaking about hope. There is a huge need to reengage many Americans with the political system, and if he does nothing else, Mr. Obama is doing that.

Peace,

Anglian

Senator Obama enhances rapport between those with race issues. Unfortunately, this peace of moral good is resting on a poor foundation which includes the promotion of fast food style abortion, and divorcing children's importance from the marital system.

Social issues are tied for third (2nd and 3rd) most important with health care. And economics is first.

 

[Ringo84]

psst - Bush isn't running.

Psst...he never said he was.
Ringo

 

[Anglian]

Senator Obama enhances rapport between those with race issues. Unfortunately, this peace of moral good is resting on a poor foundation which includes the promotion of fast food style abortion, and divorcing children's importance from the marital system.

Social issues are tied for third (2nd and 3rd) most important with health care. And economics is first.

Dear Fated,

I would agree with you entirely. But there are no candidates with a chance of winning who are going to restrict fast food consumption, make abortion illegal and do anything to counter liberal assumptions on child care issues - alas.

As I have said, were I am American I am not sure that I would be a natural supporter of Mr. Obama, but I would hope to be open-minded enough to consider his plus points, as you do.

In peace,

Anglian

 

[NeTrips]

It was just an unrelated slime then?

 

[Ringo84]

It was just an unrelated slime then?

His point was only tangentially about Dubya. Summer's point was that since Republicans can't win with the same policies as Dubya in this election, they (or at least some of them) must instead turn to petty smears against Obama.
Ringo

 

[NeTrips]

His point was only tangentially about Dubya. Summer's point was that since Republicans can't win with the same policies as Dubya in this election, they (or at least some of them) must instead turn to petty smears against Obama.
Ringo

Dubya doesn't have any policies in this election.

Character matters in deciding who to vote for. You may dismiss it as important, much like executive experience has been dismissed, but to some it matters.

 

[mpok1519]

character is the LAST thing I vote on >> if a person is a total jerk, but has way better policy than the well mannered guy, I'd vote for the jerk.

 

[NeTrips]

&#8220;Since effectively wrapping up the nomination, Barack Obama has lost 7 of the last 13 primaries. Obama&#8217;s confidants say that this doesn&#8217;t matter. In states like Pennsylvania and Ohio, primary election results are no predictor of general election results.

That&#8217;s dubious. Though voters now prefer Democratic policy positions on most major issues by between 11 and 25 points, Obama has only a 0.7 percent lead over McCain in the RealClearPolitics average of polls. His favorability ratings among independents has dropped from 63 percent to 49 percent since late February.

Furthermore, Obama has spent the past several months rolling up his sleeves and furiously courting working-class votes. It doesn&#8217;t seem to be working. Ron Brownstein of the National Journal calculates that Obama did no better among those voters in a late state like Pennsylvania than he did for 26 out of 29 earlier primary states where he lost the working class.&#8221; --David Brooks, the NYTimes

 

[MachZer0]

“Since effectively wrapping up the nomination, Barack Obama has lost 7 of the last 13 primaries. Obama’s confidants say that this doesn’t matter. In states like Pennsylvania and Ohio, primary election results are no predictor of general election results.

That’s dubious. Though voters now prefer Democratic policy positions on most major issues by between 11 and 25 points, Obama has only a 0.7 percent lead over McCain in the RealClearPolitics average of polls. His favorability ratings among independents has dropped from 63 percent to 49 percent since late February.

Furthermore, Obama has spent the past several months rolling up his sleeves and furiously courting working-class votes. It doesn’t seem to be working. Ron Brownstein of the National Journal calculates that Obama did no better among those voters in a late state like Pennsylvania than he did for 26 out of 29 earlier primary states where he lost the working class.” --David Brooks, the NYTimes

Don't forget that a lot of voters who voted against Obama in Florida and Michigan were disenfranchised in this primary election. That may be an omen of what to expect from Obama in the General Election

 

[JGL53]

Obama smells like a rose compared to stinky old John McBush, who should have retired back to his native Panama years ago.

If Obama can shut down the Clinton machine he should find easy pickings with a flip-flopper like McCain.

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

I never said anything about the Bible here. There is no race tension with GOD. Never has been.

I am talking about the U.S., not GOD.

GOD has nothing to do with the KKK, or 'Black Rage'.

This is a purely human thing.

Well then, SoF, since you've conceded God has no hangups about race, why don't you emulate His fine example and stop your racially divisive posting about "black rage" and your desire to re-created the CONFEDERATE States of America?

 

[JGL53]

Senator Obama enhances rapport between those with race issues. Unfortunately, this peace of moral good is resting on a poor foundation which includes the promotion of fast food style abortion, and divorcing children's importance from the marital system.

Social issues are tied for third (2nd and 3rd) most important with health care. And economics is first.

Why you and a tiny minority of Americans are still hung up on the abortion issue is beyond me. That train left the station years ago. E.g., back in the election of 1992, Clinton and Perot, who were both publically pro legal abortion, got a combined 62 per cent of the vote, while anti-legal abortion George Bush, Sr, got 38 per cent of the vote.

In the ensuing years I have not heard of any change in attitude among the American people on the legality of abortion.

If you wish to continue to be a one-issue voter, then knock yourself out. Most people look at a bigger picture.

Obama '08

 

[silentreader]

Obama smells like a rose compared to stinky old John McBush, who should have retired back to his native Panama years ago.

If Obama can shut down the Clinton machine he should find easy pickings with a flip-flopper like McCain.

your post is devoid of any facts, it smells like refuse. why don't u actually post something besides your crazy liberal hyperbole?

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

Why you and a tiny minority of Americans are still hung up on the abortion issue is beyond me. That train left the station years ago. E.g., back in the election of 1992, Clinton and Perot, who were both publically pro legal abortion, got a combined 62 per cent of the vote, while anti-legal abortion George Bush, Sr, got 38 per cent of the vote.

In the ensuing years I have not heard of any change in attitude among the American people on the legality of abortion.

If you wish to continue to be a one-issue voter, then knock yourself out. Most people look at a bigger picture.

Obama '08

The religious Right is trumping up abortion to distract voters from the fact this country is sinking fast. It's like the band on the Titanic, trying to distract the passengers from realizing their fate.

 

[NeTrips]

What do Jeremiah Wright, Fr. Michael Pfleger, Michelle Obama and a majority of Europeans have in common? They don't like America, but they really like Barack Obama.

In fact, according to polls, preaching and personal observation, there is an undeniable, inverse relationship between one's affection for the US and support for the Obama campaign.

Here's the big question for the Obamaniacs: If you don't like America, if you think so little of this nation that you can't call it your own, why do you WANT the White House? Shouldn't you just go to a better country somewhere, one with a political culture more in tune with your beliefs.

You know, like Cuba?

-Michael Graham, WTKK

 

[fated]

Why you and a tiny minority of Americans are still hung up on the abortion issue is beyond me. That train left the station years ago. E.g., back in the election of 1992, Clinton and Perot, who were both publically pro legal abortion, got a combined 62 per cent of the vote, while anti-legal abortion George Bush, Sr, got 38 per cent of the vote.

In the ensuing years I have not heard of any change in attitude among the American people on the legality of abortion.

If you wish to continue to be a one-issue voter, then knock yourself out. Most people look at a bigger picture.

Obama '08

It is not impossible to have a society in which abortion is not legal and wherein abortionist face prosecution. This system exists in Ireland, for instance. If the so-called evangelical vote would continue in solidarity, we could see the abortion criminalized in many states in the next decade. If that is what they want, and it is what they ascribe to, they need to remember that "love is patient."

Your attack means nothing to me, first, and second, the issue remains a "decisive factor" far more compelling than race in this election.

The "single issue" garbage is an evasive tactic, because those who support legal abortion have no reason to evade most of the status quo which prevents candidates that these voters would very much like to see available.

I would say that most people would vote for an incrementalist fiscally conservative social populist that desires to stop or strongly regulate abortion.