Obama lets slip he is a Muslim. Oops!

[Albion]

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[Gxg (G²)]

No. It is because the CIA created Al Qaeda and it is the CIA that supplies them weapons and Obama is a CIA puppet. I think they might even have him under mind control. Obama's religion has nothing to do with the U.S. government supporting Al Qaeda. It is ALL CIA. Do the research. The CIA has controlled the American government for what will be five decades this November the 23rd.

Very likely possibility...

 

[visionary]

Very likely possibility...

The current CIA director, John Owen Brennan is an American politician, who is currently serving as the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency and was a former chief counterterrorism advisor to U.S. President Barack Obama; officially his title was Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, and Assistant to the President... so as an assistant to Obama, I don't think CIA is the spearhead.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

The current CIA director, John Owen Brennan is an American politician, who is currently serving as the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency and was a former chief counterterrorism advisor to U.S. President Barack Obama; officially his title was Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, and Assistant to the President... so as an assistant to Obama, I don't think CIA is the spearhead.

Doesn't really change a lot in light of history - as often those in power didn't have obvious titles issuing rank - for they seemed to be serving beneath someone even though they were effectively calling the shots alongside others. And it's not one individual people speak of - but many in the shadows (elites) who influence in numerous ways for their own ends. They've been known as globalists and other terms...

 

[Shimshon]

Doesn't really change a lot in light of history - as often those in power didn't have obvious titles issuing rank - for they seemed to be serving beneath someone even though they were effectively calling the shots alongside others. And it's not one individual people speak of - but many in the shadows (elites) who influence in numerous ways for their own ends. They've been known as globalists and other terms...

cough....CHeney....cough....

 

[Lulav]

No, it's all about nepotism .....................at it's worst.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

cough....CHeney....cough....

Yep - and multiple others going as far back as Kennedy. No one has really been asking any questions on the issue of things like the Banks/Wall Street influencing events - or weapons manufacturers and corporations and a host of other things....people who always seem to come out on top REGARDLESS of who is in office.

KRS-One noted it best, IMHO:

Krs-One: Obama
KRS one interview-Obama, nwo, awakening- 2/3​

 

[ContraMundum]

Well, it might explain how US foreign policy under this administration has managed to side with every Islamist rebellion in the Middle East--in Libya, Egypt, Syria, etc. and why he's hostile to Israel.

Nothing new there and I dare say there's a bit of exaggeration in this as well. Seems to me the US is either backing dictators or rebels since its inception anyway. Nothing new.

It might also explain the administration's ongoing war on Christians at home,

Not happening. Tell that to Christians under *real* persecution.

coupled with a complete disinterest in the Christian victims of Al Qaeda and company overseas...all the while the president takes to the airwaves to say that the US has some special obligation to save humanity from savagery anywhere in the world, as a matter of simple morality.

I don't see any of that actually happenning outside of the assertions of some elements of the media.

The right-wing has got to stop its incessant self-obsessed whining and the left has got to stop dreaming of a world that doesn't exist. The sky is not falling down, Obama attended the same church for decades (hardly typical for a practicing Muslim) and the US has not become an Islamic state. You get to vote again if you're that annoyed. Simple facts. Live with the democracy your money has purchased. Stop the panic and hyperbole and maybe you'll have less stress in your life, Americans!

 

[Albion]

Nothing new there and I dare say there's a bit of exaggeration in this as well.

No, no exaggeration.

Seems to me the US is either backing dictators or rebels since its inception anyway. Nothing new.

Don't miss the point there. Whether or not they were admirable governments, don't you think that most of them were sympathetic to us, helpful to us, or had a mutual enemy? That's the exact opposite of the Obama regime's foreign policy.

Not happening.

I'll just chalk that up to you not being well-informed on this matter from half-way around the globe.

I don't see any of that actually happenning outside of the assertions of some elements of the media.

That might explain your confusion.

The right-wing has got to stop its incessant self-obsessed whining and the left has got to stop dreaming of a world that doesn't exist.

And what is that imaginary "right-wing" media, exactly? We get almost all of our information from left-wing media, so your claim really makes no sense.

The sky is not falling down, Obama attended the same church for decades (hardly typical for a practicing Muslim) and the US has not become an Islamic state.

How ridiciulous. No one here said that the US has become an Islamic state, so you can be pretty safe attacking that strawman.

But Obama was a Muslim as a child, as was his father and other relatives, so it's not impossible that he retained a sympathy for Islamic culture or the Muslim people. Or he could simply anti-Semitic or be in agreement with many of the political claims and objectives of these militants.

The church Obama attended is Christian in name, but its teachings were essentially racial and political. In addition, this was the status church for that area of Chicago, and Obama was an aspiring office-holder. Get it? Many politicians align themselves with churches for a political reason; you can't make concrete judgments about their theology on that basis.

But even that is off topic since I didn't claim that he's a Muslim. I said that his foreign policy has been partial to the Islamists and against Israel. Big difference.

You get to vote again if you're that annoyed. Simple facts. Live with the democracy your money has purchased. Stop the panic and hyperbole and maybe you'll have less stress in your life, Americans!

Try minding your own country's business. I hear it's not paradise either.

 

[ContraMundum]

And what is that imaginary "right-wing" media, exactly? We get almost all of our information from left-wing media, so your claim really makes no sense.

...and what is the imagnary "left-wing" media exactly? We get almost all of our information from right-wing media, so your claim really makes no sense.



Brother, I live in Australia. Mr Murdoch, of Fox News fame, is an Aussie, and is right wing. Last I heard that is the preferred media outlet of the GOP'ers. His papers in this country are likewise very biased towards the conservative. This is no coincidence.

What cracks me up is that you people actually think you have a left-wing media. That's delusional to me. You don't have one. We do. Spend an hour watching one of our news outlets (like SBS or the ABC for the Aussie reading) and you'll be on your knees thanking God that you don't have a left-wing media and repenting of the idea that you mistakenly thought CNN was leftist. You guys don't even know leftist media from breeds of gerbils.

But Obama was a Muslim as a child, as was his father and other relatives, so it's not impossible that he retained a sympathy for Islamic culture or the Muslim people.

So what? It's a free country, unless of course Ted Nugent gets in power. You get what you vote for. That's the price of democracy- you will get an ex-Muslim, or a war-monger, or a womanizer, or a half-wit because most people voted for them.

Or he could simply anti-Semitic or be in agreement with many of the political claims and objectives of these militants.

I think it's been pretty well established on this thread that Obama is not anti-semitic and has been kind to Israel. As an exercise, go to a white supremacist website and watch them claim he is a slave to the Jews. Both sides can't be right.

The church Obama attended is Christian in name, but its teachings were essentially racial and political. In addition, this was the status church for that area of Chicago, and Obama was an aspiring office-holder. Get it? Many politicians align themselves with churches for a political reason; you can't make concrete judgments about their theology on that basis.

Doesn't bother me. Most of the churches I have been to in the US are quite political and very enculturated. I've been to churches that are almost entirely black, and ones that are likewise white. The poorer the neighbourhood the more egalitarian (what many mis-label socialist) the church. Simple rule of thumb while visiting the US.

But even that is off topic since I didn't claim that he's a Muslim. I said that his foreign policy has been partial to the Islamists and against Israel. Big difference.

How do you feel about the posts that basically destroy that assertion? Just lies?

Try minding your own country's business. I hear it's not paradise either.

Hehe...two things: first, the US is my country. Born and raised. I just live abroad and second: Australia is paradise, no matter what they are saying. It's a very very very very good place to live and having travelled the world and worked in five different nations I'd say it's still the best place I've been to. I'll be back in the US next year, and I bet I won't find the oppressive socialist nation that the media whackos are telling me it is. Right?
Will I need a gun and a bullet-proof vest though?

 

[visionary]

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Hehe...two things: first, the US is my country. Born and raised. I just live abroad and second: Australia is paradise, no matter what they are saying. It's a very very very very good place to live and having travelled the world and worked in five different nations I'd say it's still the best place I've been to. I'll be back in the US next year, and I bet I won't find the oppressive socialist nation that the media whackos are telling me it is. Right?
Will I need a gun and a bullet-proof vest though?

Time will tell...

 

[Albion]

...and what is the imagnary "left-wing" media exactly?

I don't know. I referred to your imaginary Right-wing media in that sentence.

We get almost all of our information from right-wing media, so your claim really makes no sense.

I know better than that. And just so you know, with the exception of Fox News, which is moderately conservative, and perhaps the Wall Street Journal that's also only moderately conservative, if that, all the leading media are Left-wing--ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC!, MSNBC, the NY Times, Washington Post, LA Times, etc. etc.

Last I heard that is the preferred media outlet of the GOP'ers.

So hearsay is your main source of information after all. Hmmm.

End of conversation.

 

[ContraMundum]

I don't know. I referred to your imaginary Right-wing media in that sentence.


I know better than that, so go ahead and tell us what these "right-wing" media sources you have in mind are.


So hearsay is your main source of information after all. Hmmm.

Fox News is right wing. Everyone knows it. Everyone.

67% of Fox News viewers are GOP members, 97% lean towards the GOP.

I consider that a propaganda arm of the GOP based on those numbers.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Fox News is right wing. Everyone knows it. Everyone.

67% of Fox News viewers are GOP members, 97% lean towards the GOP.

I consider that a propaganda arm of the GOP based on those numbers.

Of course you are correct, but it's our only arm, and I don't know of any other news source on the side of the Republicans.

All the News papers, all the media is left wing as far as I can see, but Fox news in most definitely right wing, and an arm of the Gop as you said.

 

[Albion]

Fox News is right wing.
67% of Fox News viewers are GOP members, 97% lean towards the GOP.

I consider that a propaganda arm of the GOP based on those numbers.

Get a clue. Those numbers are so high precisely because these GOP voters have NO OTHER CHOICES.

Now maybe you are beginning to see why I was right about your 'right wing' media fantasy.

 

[ContraMundum]

Of course you are correct, but it's our only arm, and I don't know of any other news source on the side of the Republicans.

All the News papers, all the media is left wing as far as I can see, but Fox news in most definitely right wing, and an arm of the Gop as you said.

What's even worse is that a study found that Fox News viewers the least informed of all viewers. While I have always believed this was at least anecdotally provable I had no idea a study found that to be so too. I could be tempted to rest in the snug blanket of my superior left-wing-ness, but I am actually politically quite conservative so I guess I don't fit any mould that would satisfy some posters here.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

What's even worse is that a study found that Fox News viewers the least informed of all viewers. While I have always believed this was at least anecdotally provable I had no idea a study found that to be so too. I could be tempted to rest in the snug blanket of my superior left-wing-ness, but I am actually politically quite conservative so I guess I don't fit any mould that would satisfy some posters here.

You'd probably enjoy Mark Martinez's Blog - as it concerns very good balance when it comes to political issues/other concerns with the economy and government and yet not having a radical, right perspective.

 

[ContraMundum]

Get a clue. Those numbers are so high precisely because these GOP voters have NO OTHER CHOICES.

Now maybe you are beginning to see why I was right about your 'right wing' media fantasy.

So you at least admit that the most watched cable news is right wing, but with the caveat that you have no other choice.....sounds like you would prefer to hear what you want to hear rather than sift through many opinions and reports? Am I right or not?

What strikes me is this- Fox fans seem to think news is like religion- you go to where you think the orthodoxy is to get fed. But news should never be like a religion- you have to go to who reports with the least editorial/opinion (eg. not a cable station) and thus gives you less filtered news. News is the news, not the opinion. Watching Fox is watching a string of editorials, opinions and analysis. Does that not sound like something you should avoid if you want the truth and the power to decide for yourself?

 

[ContraMundum]

You'd probably enjoy Mark Martinez's Blog - as it concerns very good balance when it comes to political issues/other concerns with the economy and government and yet not having a radical, right perspective.

I'll have a look. Thanks.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I'll have a look. Thanks.

Not a problem.

So easy in the times we live in for folks to get into an imaginary culture war acting as if all things to the Left are automatically opposite of all things to the Right - and yet no one considers overlap or where both sides can end up being mirror images of one another.

I've greatly enjoyed places such as Moyers & Company Show in the information they have sought to lay out - not celebrating all things done by the president.....and yet also noting some of the things he has done which may have the opposite effect of what he desires:

Moyers & Company Show 141lutocracy Rising
Mr. President, The Issue Is Not Syria - Moyers And Company - Air ​