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[bèlla]

Good Day,

Very novel... from what were you delivered then.

Not at all. I grew up in an area with several synagogues and I’ve gone before. It makes sense He’d direct me to familiar settings than a venue I had no connection with given my state. I was nearing atheism. It was the right place.

I was delivered from the domain of darkness to the domain of light.

When I use the term I’m referring to demonic activity or a presence.

Yours in His Service,

~bella

 

[Albion]

God would not be a just God if he condemned people to hell not based on their choices or actions.

What makes you think that if God does indeed predestine people, those who are lost are innocent and have never committed any transgression against God's standards?

 

[Neostarwcc]

What makes you think that if God does indeed predestine people, those who are lost are innocent and have never committed any transgression against God's standards?

I tried editing that sentence because I thought it could be a tad confusing. What I meant was that God would be an in-just God if he condemned us to hell without us doing anything wrong basically. Like a Judge sending somebody to prison with no evidence of a crime being committed. I felt that that was essentially what the OP was asking.

Say there was no sin and we made the freewill action to not sin, God would be an injust God to punish us for not committing sin right? But because we have sinned we are all equally guilty no?

I was saying the exact opposite of what you said. Because we've all freely sinned against God we all deserve to be punished. Whether we receive mercy or not. I don't think God shows any favoritism in that regard, it's merely by God's grace that salvation is even made possible in the first place.

 

[Albion]

I tried editing that sentence because I thought it could be a tad confusing. What I meant was that God would be an in-just God if he condemned us to hell without us doing anything wrong basically.

So, the point was supposed to be that God would be unjust if he did that...but also, it's impossible that he will do it, simply because all men have sinned and fallen short of the standards of God. I agree, and it does look like I misunderstood the message first time around.

 

[zoidar]

He knew exactly what he need to do to get what He intended for you to His own glory.

My understanding is that God saves us because He loves us, not to get glory. If He did it for His own glory it would be of no glory at all, but really a selfish thing. He is glorified when He saves us, but He is not saving us to get glory.

 

[Hammster]

My understanding is that God saves us because He loves us, not to get glory. If He did it for His own glory it would be of no glory at all, but really a selfish thing. He is glorified when He saves us, but He is not saving us to get glory.

Everything is for His glory. There’s nothing greater.

 

[Quasiblogo]

Hi Bella. Could you explain "I was a believer before my deliverance. I returned to God in a Jewish synagogue"? By "returned to God" do you mean "born again" or are you referring to a repentance after having been born again? I'm vaguely aware that some messianics explain "conversion" in a way that is unexpected to the gentile ear. Praise God for your relationship with Yeshuah! I'm a grafted-in guy. I don't want to cause a veering away from this Discussion, so maybe I'll need to open a different one elsewhere on CF.

 

[zoidar]

Everything is for His glory. There’s nothing greater.

Seeking to attain glory is not glorifying.

 

[Albion]

Not in the case of us humans, no.

 

[Quasiblogo]

Seeking to attain glory is not glorifying.

A glory that stems from honoring Christ--that is a worthy goal: To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life (Romans 2:7 ~ NIV)

 

[Quasiblogo]

Hi Bella. Could you explain "I was a believer before my deliverance. I returned to God in a Jewish synagogue"? By "returned to God" do you mean "born again" or are you referring to a repentance after having been born again? I'm vaguely aware that some messianics explain "conversion" in a way that is unexpected to the gentile ear. Praise God for your relationship with Yeshuah! I'm a grafted-in guy. I don't want to cause a veering away from this Discussion, so maybe I'll need to open a different one elsewhere on CF.

Oops, I see you explained that. Sorry.

 

[Hammster]

Seeking to attain glory is not glorifying.

Are you sure?

 

[Albion]

A glory that stems from honoring Christ--that is a worthy goal: To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life (Romans 2:7 ~ NIV)

Ellicott's Commentary puts this into perspective for us:

"The phrase 'glory, and honor, and immortality' is practically equivalent to 'eternal life.' 'Those who honestly seek for this life shall find it.'"

 

[Anthony2019]

What are your thoughts on this subject.

Is following Christ Jesus Christ a choice?

Did Matthew when Jesus stated ‘follow me’ make the choice to do so? Maybe this one was predestined?

Either way, can people make the choice to follow God or completely reject him in this life? Or is it a preordained thing and only some people get to the choice to?

Yes, I believe that following Jesus is a choice and each and everyone of us is free to make it.
Jesus said "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind".
Love is an act of the will. It is entirely voluntarily. We can choose to love God or we can choose not to. We can choose to follow Him or reject Him. If love is not given out of our own free will, with full and deliberate consent on our part, then it is not true love at all.
Jesus asked Peter three times "do you love me?" and on each occasion he told Him that he did. Yet Peter continued to deny Him three times. "I don't know the man!" he exclaimed in Matthew 26:73-75.
Peter was forgiven, as was Thomas, but throughout the ministry of Jesus, some were called, they followed for a while, yet they chose to forsake Him. Not by accident, not by circumstances outside their control,but by wilful and deliberate choice.
Jesus taught His disciples the Lord's prayer. Not a prayer to be recited once, but a prayer that should be the model for all their prayers. "Lead us not into temptation and deliver us from evil". Jesus clearly believed that each and every one of His disciples was capable of falling away from Him: into temptation, the bondage of sin. Jesus instructed us to "take up our cross", not once, not twice, but daily and follow Him. It seems to me that Jesus is not so much interested in the commitment we made to Him many years ago, through an evangelical rally, through an "altar call", but quite simply, will we continue to follow Him today?

 

[Charmy]

Yes, I believe that following Jesus is a choice and each and everyone of us is free to make it.
Jesus said "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind".
Love is an act of the will. It is entirely voluntarily. We can choose to love God or we can choose not to. We can choose to follow Him or reject Him. If love is not given out of our own free will, with full and deliberate consent on our part, then it is not true love at all.
Jesus asked Peter three times "do you love me?" and on each occasion he told Him that he did. Yet Peter continued to deny Him three times. "I don't know the man!" he exclaimed in Matthew 26:73-75.
Peter was forgiven, as was Thomas, but throughout the ministry of Jesus, some were called, they followed for a while, yet they chose to forsake Him. Not by accident, not by circumstances outside their control,but by wilful and deliberate choice.
Jesus taught His disciples the Lord's prayer. Not a prayer to be recited once, but a prayer that should be the model for all their prayers. "Lead us not into temptation and deliver us from evil". Jesus clearly believed that each and every one of His disciples was capable of falling away from Him: into temptation, the bondage of sin. Jesus instructed us to "take up our cross", not once, not twice, but daily and follow Him. It seems to me that Jesus is not so much interested in the commitment we made to Him many years ago, through an evangelical rally, through an "altar call", but quite simply, will we continue to follow Him today?

As God has given us freedom of choice. So. We choose to follow him or not. However. Being an All knowing God, does he know all our choices we me make, before we are born?

 

[zoidar]

A glory that stems from honoring Christ--that is a worthy goal: To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life (Romans 2:7 ~ NIV)

Are you sure?

If you do something to be glorified it's of no glory. Striving to do things that is worthy to be glorified for is another matter. In Romans 2:7 worthy of glory is like you say Quasiblogo, honoring Christ, so seek the glory that comes from honoring Christ, but don't honor Christ for your own glory. Honoring Christ is put in opposition of not honoring truth. We do not honor Christ for our own glory, but for His glory.

 

[mlepfitjw]

Zoidar, what you are saying is seeking for selfish gain is not glorifying at all. I can agree with that.

 

[zoidar]

Zoidar, what you are saying is seeking for selfish gain is not glorifying at all. I can agree with that.

Exactly, that's what I'm trying to say.

 

[mlepfitjw]

Glad to help, glad to see you and others around Zoidar today.

Hope everything is going well at home for you, and everyone here. For everyone that is sick, may healing come, and may love and forgiveness abound to many because of the Love of Lord Jesus Christ has showed us, by making the choice to die on the cross for all of mankind.

 

[Beanieboy]

So why isn't He indwelling me despite my numerous requests for Him to do so?

I laughed at this, not because of what you said, but because it brought me back to my childhood. I have been talking to God since I remember talking. However, at least 3 times I asked Christ into my heart, you know, just in case he was busy when I prayed, said, mehhhh maybe later, or no, or it just didn't "take."

Now, asking Christ into your heart is closer to simply acknowledging that Christ is there, as he is in all people, that everyone is a expression of God.

Your conscious that talks to you, gently makes you feel guilt or remorse, pull you to help another, i believe, is God.

Then, when Christ tells the sheep and goats that they fed or didn't feed him, it actually makes sense.

Initially, it felt awkward to say "I am God," because it implies you are not. On the contrary, if you were to treat everyone you came in contact with as Christ himself, loving your neighbor as yourself is easy. As Christ humbled himself before man, we humble ourselves before others.