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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by mlepfitjw, Jan 24, 2021.

  1. mlepfitjw

    mlepfitjw May you be blessed!

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    What are your thoughts on this subject.

    Is following Christ Jesus Christ a choice?

    Did Matthew when Jesus stated ‘follow me’ make the choice to do so? Maybe this one was predestined?

    Either way, can people make the choice to follow God or completely reject him in this life? Or is it a preordained thing and only some people get to the choice to?
     
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  2. topher694

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    Yes it is a choice. Simple as that.
     
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  3. TenthAveN

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    My counselor brought this point up to me today: What about sociopaths? People that can’t feel any emotion? If they wanted to follow Christ, then could they make that choice?
     
  4. MMXX

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    According to Calvinism the choice is preordained. According to Arminianism you have the free will to accept or reject the choice.
     
  5. Lucian Hodoboc

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    What does following Christ entail?
     
  6. mlepfitjw

    mlepfitjw May you be blessed!

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    MMXX, What about according to just the human condition itself outside of the isms? Did eve have the mind to make a choice to eat from the tree of good and evil? Or was it preordained?

    Lucian, loving God, and loving others.
     
  7. rocknanchor

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    Somewhere in there is the sweet allure of the power of His grace (John 6:44).
     
  8. timothyu

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    The choice is not in following the Christ but listening to His Gospel of the Kingdom and choosing whether to reject the will of man over the will of God, or to retain it.
     
  9. mlepfitjw

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    Missed your comment here tenth, that is a very good question. May the right person did not show up in their lives to help them yet, cause we all learn from each other going through this life. Would you say this would be true?

    That is a very good assessment here Timothyu. You are right about the hearing because faith comes by hearing, and hearing from the word of God. Kind of matches up with Tenths conunselor's question about the sociopaths.

    Hey thank you so much for your comment!

    You are all important, matter, and God does love you.
     
  10. Lucian Hodoboc

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    What does "loving" entail? Are you referring to feeling the emotion called "love"?
     
  11. mlepfitjw

    mlepfitjw May you be blessed!

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    As leading up going to work soon Lucian, I'll answer you with a biblical answer of what Love entails my friend.

    4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

    8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

    13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
     
  12. Lucian Hodoboc

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    I'd find it more helpful if you answered me with your personal opinion (when you have the time to do so, of course).
     
  13. mlepfitjw

    mlepfitjw May you be blessed!

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    Lucian, my opinion is what God says about love. It’s the truest form of Love for he is Love. Sorry if that is not helpful enough for you.
     
  14. Lucian Hodoboc

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    Well, according to that definition, not only am I not a Christian, but I also find it impossible to be a Christian. It is beyond my current abilities. How do I reconcile this realization with Jesus' statement that His yoke is easy?
     
  15. Rachel20

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    Interesting you bought up sociopaths because I learned something from one watching their interview. He was asked what love was. And he replied, "you mean if I could point to something and say 'that is love'?"

    That got me questioning - since love is a matter of the heart, what could you point to in the physical realm and say 'that is love'? For me, the answer was sacrifice. If you see someone sacrificing for another, you can point to that. John 3:16
     
  16. TenthAveN

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    I agree. Love might be a feeling, but love is also an action. With my mental illness, I feel quite numb toward God and others a lot of the time, and sometimes my feelings are completely contrary to Him, except I don’t want that. It’s been told to me by multiple people that I simply act in accordance with the truth, which is a choice.
     
  17. Rachel20

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    Feelings are deceptive anyway. I remember when I was young, I struggled to gain that "feeling" that I equated with faith. But I found that in trials, feelings didn't carry me far. I'm now aligned more with Paul, taking every thought captive that's contrary to God's word. So if I "feel" God is not present, or his love for me diminished, etc... I reject it immediately, choosing instead to believe his word. Or, as Paul said, with my mind only do I serve him (Romans 7:25). One can love (serve) others in the same way - choosing to do them no harm, helping them when needed, etc... So I agree with you - it's a choice.
     
  18. mlepfitjw

    mlepfitjw May you be blessed!

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    Believe there is a God.
     
  19. Albion

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    Hello, Lucian.

    What Jesus was saying was that trying to live up to the Old Testament law and do it perfectly, plus the innumerable other legalisms of the Hebrew religion, was indeed burdensome. BUT that his yoke by contrast is easy because, in place of all of that, he takes the burden upon himself! We are then freed to accept that he fulfills all those demands in our stead.

    Do not go through life thinking that you must satisfy every item on some "to do" devotional checklist. That would depress and discourage anyone, especially because it's impossible to accomplish perfectly, let alone consistently!
     
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    Just because one gospel writer shows Jesus saying come and they drop their nets and follow does not mean they had not already heard and seen miracles and their hearts were prepared, read all the gosple accounts at least.
     
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