Not later than 2037

[Douggg]

What daily sacrifice?
Jews haven't sacrificed for years, and Christians never have. Unless you count the practice of giving ourselves to God each day - in which case, why would we ever stop?

The daily sacrifice is the lamb that the Jews offered in the morning and in the evening when the temple is in place. Which of course means a temple of some sort will have to be built by the Jews on the temple mount.

Christians are not the one who stops the daily sacrifice in the middle of the seven years. But the little horn person, in Daniel 8:12-13. And that same person as the prince who shall come in Daniel 9:26-27. Who later will become the beast of Revelation 13.

 

[Strong in Him]

The daily sacrifice is the lamb that the Jews offered in the morning and in the evening when the temple is in place. Which of course means a temple of some sort will have to be built by the Jews on the temple mount.

And assuming they go back to offering sacrifices again.
When I was a teenager - about 45 years ago - a Jew came to talk to our youth group, and someone asked him if he thought Jews would start offering sacrifices again one day. He said "God forbid - but there are probably some who would."

Christians are not the one who stops the daily sacrifice in the middle of the seven years. But the little horn person, in Daniel 8:12-13. And that same person as the prince who shall come in Daniel 9:26-27. Who later will become the beast of Revelation 13.

Serious question; how do you know the prophies written in Daniel 7 refer to Jesus' second coming?
In the NT whenever Jesus fulfils/fulfilled prophecy, we are told; "this is to fulfil what the prophet said". But as far as I know, Jesus didn't quote, or teach, from Daniel when speaking of his return.

 

[Douggg]

Serious question; how do you know the prophies written in Daniel 7 refer to Jesus' second coming?
In the NT whenever Jesus fulfils/fulfilled prophecy, we are told; "this is to fulfil what the prophet said". But as far as I know, Jesus didn't quote, or teach, from Daniel when speaking of his return.

In the book of Daniel, there is a time span phrase used in two chapters. And once in Revelation.

"time, times, half time" in the text of:

Daniel 7:25 - the little horn oppresses the people of Israel.
Daniel 12:7 - the worst time in the nation of Israel history. (the great tribulation)
Revelation 12:14 - Satan persecutes the remnant of the woman (i.e. Israel)

In Daniel 7:25 the little horn (who will have become the beast of Revelation at that time) oppresses the people of Israel. Until judgment comes and destroys him and his kingdom.

In Daniel 7:27 the people of Israel inherit the Kingdom of God.

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okay, on to Daniel 12:7, the time, times, half time worst time in Israel's history. We go to....

Daniel 12:11 - the abomination of desolation setup. Then 1290 days.
Daniel 12:12 - blessed is he who waits, remains, to the 1335th day.

The abomination of desolation (referred to by Jesus, Matthew 24:15, Daniel the prophet in that text) will be setup, beginning the great tribulation. Then 1290 days later, the kings of the earth will find reason to make war on the messiah. They assemble their armies for 45 days for that purpose.

In Zechariah 14:1-3, God gathers all nations against Jerusalem to battle. The messiah, who will fight the battles of God in defending Israel (from the Rambam), will destroy the men of those armies, from the greatest to the smallest, Ezekiel 39:17-20, Revelation 19:17-18 (same description) - at Jesus's Second Coming.

Daniel 12:12 - blessed is he who waits, remains, to the 1335th day. On the 1335th day, the day of Jesus's Return, the people of Israel who will have remained faithful to God throughout the whole ordeal, will be blessed by inheriting the Kingdom of God (Daniel 7:27 same as).

The messianic age then begins.

The great tribulation is really not about the church going through it. But the nation of Israel.

 

[Strong in Him]

In the book of Daniel, there is a time span phrase used in two chapters. And once in Revelation.

Yes, but I wouldn't want to assume that a phrase used once in the Bible means the same thing if it is repeated again.
Do we know that that is a literal, fixed time as opposed to a figure of speech?

okay, on to Daniel 12:7, the time, times, half time worst time in Israel's history. We go to....

Daniel 12:11 - the abomination of desolation setup. Then 1290 days.
Daniel 12:12 - blessed is he who waits, remains, to the 1335th day.

The abomination of desolation (referred to by Jesus, Matthew 24:15, Daniel the prophet in that text) will be setup, beginning the great tribulation. Then 1290 days later, the kings of the earth will find reason to make war on the messiah. They assemble their armies for 45 days for that purpose.

Sorry, but I neither understand, nor agree with, doing Biblical mathematics to try and work out something which Jesus himself has said we cannot know.
He said that no one knows the day or hour; if he'd wanted us to know it he would have said that we should read Daniel, get a good calculator and try to work it out.
God reveals himself to us plainly - through Creation, Scripture, his Holy Spirit and sometimes by speaking to us himself. He does not hide anything in complicated codes that only a few can know.

Presumably if 2037 comes and goes and nothing has happened, this will need to be revised.

 

[Douggg]

Yes, but I wouldn't want to assume that a phrase used once in the Bible means the same thing if it is repeated again.
Do we know that that is a literal, fixed time as opposed to a figure of speech?

It is nominally three and half years.

On my chart, the time/times/half time follows the 1260 days of the two witnesses.

In Revelation 12, the time/times/half time follows the 1260 days that Israel is in the wilderness because she will have thought the Antichrist is the messiah - until he reveals himself as the man of sin, and not the messiah.

The only time that I can think of - of a time unit being a figure of speech is the one hour for the destruction of Babylon the great Revelation 18:10, and the one hour that the ten kings rule with the beast in Revelation 17:10 which actually represents 42 months.

 

[Douggg]

Sorry, but I neither understand, nor agree with, doing Biblical mathematics to try and work out something which Jesus himself has said we cannot know.
He said that no one knows the day or hour; if he'd wanted us to know it he would have said that we should read Daniel, get a good calculator and try to work it out.
God reveals himself to us plainly - through Creation, Scripture, his Holy Spirit and sometimes by speaking to us himself. He does not hide anything in complicated codes that only a few can know.

If you consider that those verse about not knowing the day nor hour - they are related to the day/hour of the rapture/resurrection event - not about the day of His Second Coming.

The sign of the Son of man in heaven precedes the day on which Jesus Returns.

 

[Strong in Him]

If you consider that those verse about not knowing the day nor hour - they are related to the day/hour of the rapture/resurrection event - not about the day of His Second Coming.

That's not what Matthew 24:42-44 says.

But I'm going to bow out of this discussion now.
As with all the other dates, years and theories that I've seen; I imagine we'll find out when it happens.

2037 is a reasonably good year; If Jesus hasn't returned by then, there's little likelihood of anyone coming on here to question you about your "prophecy".

 

[Jipsah]

The daily sacrifice is the lamb that the Jews offered in the morning and in the evening when the temple is in place. Which of course means a temple of some sort will have to be built by the Jews on the temple mount.

I'm sorry, but daily sacrifice ceased a long time ago.

Christians are not the one who stops the daily sacrifice in the middle of the seven years.

Right. It was the Romans.

 

[Jamdoc]

I'm sorry, but daily sacrifice ceased a long time ago.

Right. It was the Romans.

Look up the Temple Insitute.
They want to bring it back.
It'll only take political permission.