NON CHRISTIANS

[Myah]

I am a true mutt. Choctaw, Cherokee, Comanche, Irish, Scottish and Polish. My family has traced my scottish ancestry for a great many years (Clan Donald and Clan Bruce). The irish no one has really looked into, and my Great Grandmother, who was a full-blood Cherokee often told stories, from what my mother says. She was a medicine woman and was greatly respected in the community, but she kept her religious beliefs very quiet. I wish I could have known her more to learn from her.

 

[Nikitona]

my Great Grandmother, who was a full-blood Cherokee often told stories, from what my mother says. She was a medicine woman and was greatly respected in the community, but she kept her religious beliefs very quiet. I wish I could have known her more to learn from her.

Most Indians keep their religious beliefs very quiet. They aren't usually written down, they are passed on orally to each generation. They have had so much of their culture taken away that they hold on to what is left very closely. I'm very fortunate to still have my grandfather (and have my mother for as long as I had her) and other relatives from her side. I spent my summers with them when I was growing up.

Thank you all for your kind words. I signed up a while ago, but it took me some time to share

I will have to browse around and see if there are any other topics I should join in, or are there any you'd suggest?

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

Thanks Smilin and Nikitona Awesome posts. I've been so busy with preparing and shopping and so on that sometimes I lose sight of the great joy this season always brings to my heart Silly of me

 

[Smilin]

Thanks Smilin and Nikitona Awesome posts. I've been so busy with preparing and shopping and so on that sometimes I lose sight of the great joy this season always brings to my heart Silly of me

We are expecting Christmas gifts!

 

[Smilin]

Bumped for Wisdom Seeker

 

[kenfish]

Hi Mylinkay Asdara, Thank you for taking the time to reply to my question. Your answer, Pre-written Genesis is sweet.

I love reading these posts and seeing the beauty in the words and the spirit of the posters. Reading and sharing in these postings is a true joy to me.

The following is a narrative from a nature film I am involved in making



The planet Earth is home to earthlings, We are all earthlings on this planet. Every creature is an earth being from the tiniest microbe to the largest elephant and the most massive blue whale. We are all separate individuals but all of us are somehow connected within some mysterious, twirling harmonic mortal dance that separates us into many physical forms that differ in size and in shape. There is some extraordinary power that unifies and that is elusive and parses out and infuses life and forms and quickens all these individual earth souls. All that is alive possesses this spirit of life that animates and keeps us in this game of living life that we all play and we all do play for "keeps."

If a visitor from space were to come for a visit all of us would be equal to them as earthlings.
All the beings on the planet are of the earth and in that sense all are our relatives.
We are truly connected.

Nature begins her year with the Winter Solstice. The first day of winter is both the end of the solar year and the beginning of the solar year. It is the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end. It was the Winter Solstice that determined the date of Christmas 2000 years ago and that date December 25, 0001 has remained frozen on man’s calendar although the Winter Solstice has moved forward four days in the twenty centuries since that date was first designated as the birth date of Christ. It was the first Christmas and through the centuries the heavens have shifted or perhaps have stayed the same but man seeing himself as the final interpreter and the fixed point of the heavens has remained frozen in the past, and as is so often the case, has forgotten or perhaps does not have the awareness to shift to the present and move along with natures clock.

The sun is now at the beginning of his one-year journey. Today he stops heading south and turns to the north and begins the journey of the new solar year. It was once said by the ancient astrologers that, “He stops on this day to rest,” and on the day of the Solstice he rests and begins his Northward march until six months later on the first day of summer he transforms again and begins to move south headed towards the day of his new years rest and transformation.

The first day of winter is the first day of nature’s year. Where that day falls in relation to the first moon of winter will determine the timing of the fullness of the year. It is the point of origin, the determiner of events, each animal has its unique place to mate or move or migrate within the timing of these events and those niches never vary in their placement within the order of the year. The events may come in different months and may appear to the casual observer to be random when correlated to the Gregorian calendar dates but they are not.

The order of the unfolding is constant. The calendar dates of these events change but the moons and the timing of the activities of the animals in relationship to the moon and each other do not change.

The art of predicting the time of first natural event after the Solstice with accuracy is difficult.
Every year unfolds with events appearing exactly as expected and with peculiar surprises. There are twelve months in our year but there are thirteen moons,.
This causes the moon to be a wild card in relation to our monthly calendar.
It is not actually a wild card at all but it does seem to trump and disempower any type of theory that is formulated to explain the timing of natural events.
Predicting the timing of the events of each year is dependent on setting the key moon in place in its relationship to the solstice.
This is not as easy it sounds and is ordinarily a function of hindsight and perhaps luck. This inability to predict natural events accurately is amazing actually when you realize we can send probes to orbit moons on the outer planets of our solar system but each year we have to wait and see what natural being event happens first before we are reasonably sure of what will come along next.

This uncertainty is a wonderful reminder that we are not outside of the order nor are we quite as powerful in our ability to understand with the tool of simple reason all things natural and that we are finite in our reasoned understandings.

We civilized humans of any race or culture have trouble with the prediction but the shrimp and the isopods know which moon is upon them and the jelly fish know and the shrimp rise to the surface and do their mating dance on the moon of their mating dance and the worms swarm right on their natural new moon and the silversides gather like they always do on the full moon of summer and every creature in this litany of events knows its place and its time and none have ever missed a beat. Man's culture is an interpretation of natures dance and nothing more.

Each year is the same and every year is different. Perhaps only those who are connected to the true rhythm of natures shifting order and not to their cultural bias will or can ever discern and notice the order that is apparent within her ways that is always clear in hindsight and always difficult to predict. The key is the order of the moons.

Natures clock is reflected in the heavens and the pendulum of her clock is the moon.

Copyright Dec., 2003 J.K.A.

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I am a Christian and I am older and I know that all life is Aware and Holy and Sacred and Magical and Mysterious and Blessed.

Have a wonderful Solstice and I wish you all well.
Love and peace,
Kenfish

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

That was beautiful Kenfish. I'm glad I read this today (and in the morning too no less) it's a perspective gaining piece.

Blessings to you on the Solstice as well friend.
Mylinkay Asdara

 

[Smilin]

Bump...Bumpety...Bump

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

So how was everyone's Solstice or whatever you celebrated?

**bump bump, do the bump**

 

[Smilin]

So how was everyone's Solstice or whatever you celebrated?

**bump bump, do the bump**

Caught the flu..
How bout you???

and what about New Years?

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

I'm fighting off a nasty fluish cold right now, hoping that I'll be able to boot it out of my system by tommarrow to celebrate new years.

Solstice was fun. For the first time I had a male counterpart to go out and kindle the sacred fire so it was really ceremonial and nice, but just the two of us so it was fairly intamate too

 

[Smilin]

I'm fighting off a nasty fluish cold right now, hoping that I'll be able to boot it out of my system by tommarrow to celebrate new years.

Solstice was fun. For the first time I had a male counterpart to go out and kindle the sacred fire so it was really ceremonial and nice, but just the two of us so it was fairly intamate too

The flu bug is ravaging our area as well. I've been quite inactive the past
3 or 4 days. Work is piling up! And I'm not warm and fuzzy for what
the New Year will bring (yet)....

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

Well I ended up staying sick through the start of the new year.... and now I think I have bigger problems too Light a candle for me will ya?

 

[Smilin]

Sure will,
I've battled the flu for the past three days as well.

 

[kenfish]

and now I think I have bigger problems too Light a candle for me will ya?

Hi Milinkay,
You are being covered and blessed in a "non-specific," way for the resolution of your difficulty. I wish you well.
Kenfish

 

[Sundragon2012]

Hello,

I have really enjoyed reading the posts here and am inspired by the thoughtfulness and depth of some of the spiritual understanding here.

I would define myself as a non-Christian, non-specific theist who has been greatly influenced by Wicca, Native American belief, Sri Aurobindo, Ramakrishna, Emerson, Esoteric Christianity, Qabala (hermetic not judaic), Magick (a la Crowley, Fortune, Gareth Knight, Golden Dawn, etc.), Lazaris and Seth (channeled material), Buddhism, Jungian psychology, and various New Age authors (Deepak Chopra, Wayne Dyer, Marianne Williamson, etc.) .....

I am distinctly non-religious but find that there is nothing more important to me than my relationship with the Divine or as I call it God/Goddess/All that Is. I am a panentheist in that though I know the Divine to be transcendant I know it to be equally immanent. There is no thing that is unconnected to the Divine and we are reflections (aspects) of the Divine Consciousness manifest in form in various stages of knowing and unknowing.

I spend most of my time in the "good fight" here on these boards engaged in debate and discussion with only a rare opportunity for non-conflictual dialogue. To be honest I love stiff debate and find that nothing makes my mind sharper than discussing concepts with those I adamantly disagree with.

However in the spirit of communion with my non-Christian brothers and sisters I would like to share a little poem I wrote.

Remembrance​

Where there is pain, God/dess suffers.​

Where there is hurt, God/dess aches.​

Where there are tears, God/dess weeps.​

It is through our wounds and the wounds of the world that God/dess bleeds.​

Where there is Joy, God/dess laughs.​

Where there is Courage, there is the strength of God/dess.​

Where there is Compassion, there is God/dess’s touch.​

Where there is Love, there is the nature and will of God/dess manifest.​

Your Eyes are God/dess’s eyes through which truth can be seen.​

Your Hands are God/dess’s hands through which you may touch and be touched.​

Your Voice is God/dess’s voice through which you may speak the truth of your being.​

To Love yourself is to know God/dess’s Love for you.​

To Love others is to know God/dess’s Love for humanity.​

To reach out with Love and Union to all things is to experience what it is to be Divine.​

Your Love is the Love of God/dess and to be enlightened is to remember these things you have chosen to forget.​

-Chris DeGraffenreid​

Namaste,​

Chris​

 

[dlamberth]

Well I ended up staying sick through the start of the new year.... and now I think I have bigger problems too Light a candle for me will ya?

A candle has been lit.

Blessed Be, Mylinkay.

..

 

[Captain Jackson]

Alright, I'll try to explain what I think, although I still have much to think about with respect to what the "correct religion" would be.

I have many thoughts about God, but I still have much to think about.

I believe the universe was created by a diety. I believe this was through natural processes, however.

I believe that the conscience is the ultimate reference for what is right, and what is wrong. Disobeying one's conscience could lead to much trouble.

I don't believe in a fire and brimestone deity, I don't believe in a genie deity, nor do I believe in an ancient war god.

Reality is the only basis we have for determining what this deity must be like.

I may qualify as a "liberal theist" as I believe that it might be correct to say that all religions teach the same core beliefs.

I hope that is clear enough.

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

Beautiful poem Chris. Nameste

Captin: Hey, it's okay to be in the middle. Keep seeking within yourself and you will be okay Information is abundant, but sorting it all out takes a lot of time and wisdom.

Everyone who lit candles:
Thanks, I'm still hoping that everything will clear up and I'll tell y'all what's the matter as soon as I can no longer avoid it... hope you all understand. Love from the spirit to you all **hugs**

 

[Smilin]

Greetings,
I linked my story in this thread to another.

Simply put:

I did not turn my back on Christianity.

The choices are simple:
1. The Christian God ignored me
2. The Christian God heard me, yet
found it unneccessary to help during
a time of severe crisis in my life.
3. The Christian God doesn't exist, and my
pleas were in vain.

When I embraced my heritage, and the spirituality
of those who went before me, I began to find
answers, obtained inner peace, and my life became
stable again.

Since the thread where false statements and witness
concerning myself was closed,
I felt it necessary to rebutt here.

~Smilin