Non-Christians: What would you have done?

[toolmanjantzi]

You still didn't answer my question. Why would you not ask a Hindu the same question?

Is the OP a Hindu?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I'm sorry, I have no idea what your talking about here. Could you clarify please?

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You said:

Catholics are Christians, your saying that they are not, not I.

For myself, to feed the soul of another is to be loving and compassionate to them. It's giving them a hearing ear, a giving heart, a loving presence, a helping hand.

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[toolmanjantzi]

I believe the response would have been the same if he was Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, or any other religion if he started proselytizing.

Dlamberth said they don't donate to Christian charities, only Catholic Charities. My point is Catholics claim to be Christian.

If one was no longer into "Save the Planet", and went to give to a Green Earth charity would they be put off by a pamphlet regarding recycling?

The point is the OP made it a point to let the man know she thought she was a Christian and has left the faith, prior to donating. What if the man was just wanting to inform her that no it would be impossible to believe that she left a faith that claims you can not leave if you were never apart to begin with.

The OP brought on the conversation, not the man.

This according to Dlamberth is loving, and I agree it would be loving.

 

[Arthra]

Would you have given to the seemingly noble charity, even if the person representing them was trying to convert you? Would it have put you off too?

Nowadays the economy is not doing so well and there are a lot of homeless people... People without jobs or means.Unfortunately there are a lot of people out there soliciting money from people especially outside grocery stores or where ever..Legitimate charities will give you a receipt and are recognized.

I have no problem myself if a person is hungry in offering to feed them. I donate clothing to recognized charities and also support the concept of emergency shelters.

Generally Baha'is do not encourage begging but we are interested in reducing the extremes between wealth and poverty..either through profit sharing enterprises or graduated income taxes, assistance in training and education and community food banks..

 

[awitch]

My point is Catholics claim to be Christian.

Yes, they are.

If one was no longer into "Save the Planet", and went to give to a Green Earth charity would they be put off by a pamphlet regarding recycling?

That's not analogous to the OP's scenario.

What if the man was just wanting to inform her that no it would be impossible to believe that she left a faith that claims you can not leave if you were never apart to begin with.

Never get tired of the "No true Scottsman"?
Then he would have been exceptionally rude and arrogant to make that judgement call to the face of a person he did not even know, especially if the OP was the one doing him the favor by donating.

The OP brought on the conversation, not the man.

Irrelevant.

 

[gord44]

What if the man was just wanting to inform her that no it would be impossible to believe that she left a faith that claims you can not leave if you were never apart to begin with.

Impossible to his beliefs (and yours I am guessing). To others and other Christians, not so impossible.

 

[dlamberth]

Dlamberth said they don't donate to Christian charities, only Catholic Charities. My point is Catholics claim to be Christian.

A slight correction please. I said that there is a Christian Charity in the form of a Catholic Church that I do give to because they give and feed the poor with no strings attached. Their agenda is helping the poor and those in need.

If one was no longer into "Save the Planet", and went to give to a Green Earth charity would they be put off by a pamphlet regarding recycling?

Sorry, I'm not seeing how this relates.

The point is the OP made it a point to let the man know she thought she was a Christian and has left the faith, prior to donating. What if the man was just wanting to inform her that no it would be impossible to believe that she left a faith that claims you can not leave if you were never apart to begin with.

She felt that she was being proselyted to. I suspect that I'd feel the same. Like the OP, I also left the Christian faith. I find myself very suspicious of any group asking for Charity Donations with any strings attached. In this case its their willingness to use the Charity angle to pull in people in order to proselytize. With that as a sign, one wonders what happens on the flip side to the people they help.

I'm pretty generous giving financial help to charities. I feel it's important to do. But I'm also pretty careful to whom I give to. If there is any sign of an underline current to proselytize I will say no to them.

The OP brought on the conversation, not the man.

The man used the opportunity to proselytize, not the OP.

This according to Dlamberth is loving, and I agree it would be loving.

dlamberth talks about Love, Compassion and Giving to others in need. Hopefully your able to find a way to bring these ideals into the conversation as well. They are the kinds of things that help to make us a more human, Human Being.

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[toolmanjantzi]

Yes, they are.

That's not analogous to the OP's scenario.

Never get tired of the "No true Scottsman"?
Then he would have been exceptionally rude and arrogant to make that judgement call to the face of a person he did not even know, especially if the OP was the one doing him the favor by donating.

Irrelevant.

Ahh, no. Very relevant.

 

[Mythunderstood]

Originally Posted by Mythunderstood

You still didn't answer my question. Why would you not ask a Hindu the same question?
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Is the OP a Hindu?

I see that you are deflecting again, and not answering the question. If I asked why you would not ask a Hindu the same question as the op (an unbeliever), then it is clear that the op is not a Hindu.

For the third time:

Why would you ask an unbeliever "why would it bother you to lie," but not ask a Hindu, for example, the same question?

 

[Eyes wide Open]

The OP brought on the conversation, not the man.

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Below is a snippet from the OP, the collector asked them a question to which they replied. Then they followed up by saying that they were 'in luck'. It's a shame the collector didn't feel that they were the ones 'in luck' finding a kind person looking to support the 'need' of the respective charity. Did you read the opening piece?

"Then he starts asking me if I'm a Christian, to which I said I used to be... Then he launches into some talk about how I'm in luck and can convert back again today, then hands me a standard tract"

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I see that you are deflecting again, and not answering the question. If I asked why you would not ask a Hindu the same question as the op (an unbeliever), then it is clear that the op is not a Hindu.

For the third time:

Why would you ask an unbeliever "why would it bother you to lie," but not ask a Hindu, for example, the same question?

Sure I can ask a Hindu the same question.

 

[Mythunderstood]

Originally Posted by Mythunderstood

I see that you are deflecting again, and not answering the question. If I asked why you would not ask a Hindu the same question as the op (an unbeliever), then it is clear that the op is not a Hindu.

For the third time:

Why would you ask an unbeliever "why would it bother you to lie," but not ask a Hindu, for example, the same question?
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Sure I can ask a Hindu the same question.

Why is it so hard for you to answer a simple question? I did not ask you whether or not you "could" ask a Hindu the same question! We have already established in post #39 that you would not ask a Hindu the same question. My question again for the 4th time is:

Why would you ask an unbeliever "why would it bother you to lie," but not ask a Hindu, for example, the same question?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Why is it so hard for you to answer a simple question? I did not ask you whether or not you "could" ask a Hindu the same question! We have already established in post #39 that you would not ask a Hindu the same question. My question again for the 4th time is:

Why would you ask an unbeliever "why would it bother you to lie," but not ask a Hindu, for example, the same question?

Because she was a Christian, and is an unbeliever now. I wanted to know where she stood and why moral character matters still.

 

[Mythunderstood]

Because she was a Christian, and is an unbeliever now. I wanted to know where she stood and why moral character matters still.

I got that, but again......WHY would you not ask a Hindu the same question???

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I got that, but again......WHY would you not ask a Hindu the same question???

Because clearly a Hindu is an unbeliever.

 

[Eyes wide Open]

Because clearly a Hindu is an unbeliever.

Maybe you could explain why it is so clear?

 

[dlamberth]

I wanted to know where she stood and why moral character matters still.

I don't get why leaving the Christian faith has anything to do with your question. Christians aren't the only ones around who have moral character.

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[toolmanjantzi]

Maybe you could explain why it is so clear?

I will as once I understand the question.

 

[dlamberth]

Because clearly a Hindu is an unbeliever.

Sure they are. They are just different than you is all.


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[Eyes wide Open]

I will as once I understand the question.

Seriously? You stated it was clear that Hindus were unbelievers, I asked you to explain why it is so clear.