Noah's Flood

[coffee4u]

There was torrential rain in the Land that covered 1 mountain because those particular people were exceedingly wicked above all others. How many mountains are there in the world?
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The creation of the world is not about Israel, it is about the creation of the entire planet.

The fall is not about the fall of Israel but how the entire world fell into decay.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned--

The flood is not about Israel which at this point still did not exist, but the entire world.

Israel did not come into being until after Jacob wrestled with God.
Genesis 32:28

28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”
While much of the Old Testament is about Israel, not all of it is and we as Christians can still gain much knowledge from it. Shadows in the Old testament show as being fulfilled in the New.

When Paul tells us the last day with be like Noah's time (very sinful) and then says 'every eye shall see' he also means the entire world, not just Israel.

Nowhere in the Bible will you find ape-men or millions of years, that comes from outside of scripture. That comes from the mind of men. You are welcome to it, but for me and my house, we believe the Bible only.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

 

[Brightmoon]

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Ahh the old 'closed system/open system bogeyman'. I am sorry but the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics applies in ANY system you care to make up. We must admit that the proponents of evolution were quite clever to come up with these terms but it is just a statement with no proof or real world examples. Let us make this personal a bit. You and I are succumbing to the 2nd Law every day. Yes our bodies are descending into chaos. We call it dying. When some little bit finally goes wrong enough we go to the doctors and they, being the outside intelligence, fix us up. DO we not live in this so called "open" system.
Evolution is still a pseudoscience which fails the 2nd Law and fails basic scientific method.

. I see some didn’t pass middle school science!
In open systems you have to keep adding either energy or fuel to keep it going . The earth itself is an open system because we get heat and other forms of electromagnetic energy from the sun. Closed systems don’t have added energy or fuel . living organisms are part of that open energy system . Herbivores eat the plants and algae which can harvest the sun’s energy directly . The sun’s energy gets transferred to the plant , then to the herbivores. If something eats the herbivores then that energy get transferred to either a carnivore or a saprophytic organism . In each case there’s less and less energy that gets transferred . Some is given off as heat , some used to run the organism’s body . The additional energy needed by the organism is supplied thru fuel (they need to eat) . Even plants eat . Biochemical processes within the body are run by energy.

 

[1an]

The creation of the world is not about Israel, it is about the creation of the entire planet.

The fall is not about the fall of Israel but how the entire world fell into decay.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned--

The flood is not about Israel which at this point still did not exist, but the entire world.

Israel did not come into being until after Jacob wrestled with God.
Genesis 32:28

28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”
While much of the Old Testament is about Israel, not all of it is and we as Christians can still gain much knowledge from it. Shadows in the Old testament show as being fulfilled in the New.

When Paul tells us the last day with be like Noah's time (very sinful) and then says 'every eye shall see' he also means the entire world, not just Israel.

Nowhere in the Bible will you find ape-men or millions of years, that comes from outside of scripture. That comes from the mind of men. You are welcome to it, but for me and my house, we believe the Bible only.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

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Stay on subject which is Noah's Flood, the people who became known as Israelites, their God Yahweh, and the land they claim is theirs.

And by the way, please do not turn the Bible into a book of fairy stories by saying the heavens and the earth were created in 144 hours. That is absolute nonsense. The Bible does not say that, the Hebrew word yome means a period of time, even including forever.

 

[Steven Beck]

But not every human is dying. Some people are being born (or are growing). Are they defying thermodynamics too?

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Humans, animals, insects, fish, plants, trees are 'born' and start dying from day 1 so yeahhhhh. When you can show me a dog born with wings that breathes fire then I may just believe that evolution is real . or better still how about a cat that can change colour like a chameleon. Now that would be something.

 

[Steven Beck]

. I see some didn’t pass middle school science!
In open systems you have to keep adding either energy or fuel to keep it going . The earth itself is an open system because we get heat and other forms of electromagnetic energy from the sun. Closed systems don’t have added energy or fuel . living organisms are part of that open energy system . Herbivores eat the plants and algae which can harvest the sun’s energy directly . The sun’s energy gets transferred to the plant , then to the herbivores. If something eats the herbivores then that energy get transferred to either a carnivore or a saprophytic organism . In each case there’s less and less energy that gets transferred . Some is given off as heat , some used to run the organism’s body . The additional energy needed by the organism is supplied thru fuel (they need to eat) . Even plants eat . Biochemical processes within the body are run by energy.

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Oh dear we are into personal attacks already. I did real science not pretend science. but anyway I do know what an open system is and still has no relevance to the 2nd Law of thermodynamics. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is about entropy and is related to the energy in the system. For those of you who read this the 2nd Law states that material left to itself goes from an ordered state into chaos. In other words things run down. We see this in everyday life. All our machines break down and need repair. Houses need painting, stuff rusts. It takes an outside influence to intervene and repair or maintain. Order to Chaos. Evolutionists want us to believe that life goes from chaos to ordered and not only that but a higher level of ordered. DNA is the code to life just like computer code. Evolutionists want us to believe that somehow computer code can be rewritten and reassembled all by itself.
Example reptile to bird.

So you have reptile DNA. You need to insert code that adds wings and the muscular responses to use those wings. Reptiles are too heavy so we need code to make reptile lighter, say make hollow bones. Then feathers, change mouthful of teeth to a beak. That would need a few million lines of new code then the data store for variables such as feather color, etc. Yeah NOTHING could create that, say the evolutionists. When you can point me to a dog that has been born with wings and breathe fire then maybe I will believe until then we have the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics which debunks evolution from the start.

Before accusing us creationists of pseudoscience how about you critically examine your own pseudoscience.

 

[Steven Beck]

. I see some didn’t pass middle school science!
In open systems you have to keep adding either energy or fuel to keep it going . The earth itself is an open system because we get heat and other forms of electromagnetic energy from the sun. Closed systems don’t have added energy or fuel . living organisms are part of that open energy system . Herbivores eat the plants and algae which can harvest the sun’s energy directly . The sun’s energy gets transferred to the plant , then to the herbivores. If something eats the herbivores then that energy get transferred to either a carnivore or a saprophytic organism . In each case there’s less and less energy that gets transferred . Some is given off as heat , some used to run the organism’s body . The additional energy needed by the organism is supplied thru fuel (they need to eat) . Even plants eat . Biochemical processes within the body are run by energy.

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Brightmoon said, "...living organisms are part of that open energy system . Herbivores eat the plants and algae which can harvest the sun’s energy directly . The sun’s energy gets transferred to the plant , then to the herbivores. If something eats the herbivores then that energy get transferred to either a carnivore or a saprophytic organism . In each case there’s less and less energy that gets transferred . Some is given off as heat , some used to run the organism’s body . The additional energy needed by the organism is supplied thru fuel (they need to eat) . Even plants eat . Biochemical processes within the body are run by energy."

None of which has anything to do with evolution or the 2nd Law of Thremodynamics. Will energy help someone with diabetes? Will energy stop muscles from wasting (in old age)? Will energy stop you going bald? What about excess energy from the sun? Ultraviolet light can cause skin cancer. Spend a few days in desert with no water, what about a drought for a year or 2.

Think about a computer. You buy a new computer but you don't plug it in. You leave it covered on a desk protected from the elements. How long will it last? A computer (a biggish one) is also an open system since you have to get an outside energy source. You plug it in and use it. Will it last longer or shorter then the one left on a desk doing nothing? Order to Chaos is the only pathway we have. You always need an outside influence to switch that to move from Chaos to Order.

Gen 1:2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Basically the earth was in chaos and the Spirit of God moved to craft it into order.

It is like a master craftsman who can take things that look worthless and turn them into a thing of beauty. The outside influence.

 

[1an]

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Stay on subject which is Noah's Flood, the people who became known as Israelites, their God Yahweh, and the land they claim is theirs.

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[Quartermaine]

Not if it was required for Noah to replenish the earth, as he was told to do.

not sure how getting drunk in a post flood party replenished anything

God would have had to restore the earth back to its original condition, just so Noah and his family could eat; let alone the animals that got off the Ark.

Adam is a good example.

When God took one of his ribs and healed the wound ...

Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

... do you think He left a scar behind?

So eve was a transsexual clone?

 

[Quartermaine]

Because they drowned?

if they did they never wrote about it....you would think someone somewhere would have noticed that everything was getting damp

 

[coffee4u]

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Stay on subject which is Noah's Flood, the people who became known as Israelites, their God Yahweh, and the land they claim is theirs.

And by the way, please do not turn the Bible into a book of fairy stories by saying the heavens and the earth were created in 144 hours. That is absolute nonsense. The Bible does not say that, the Hebrew word yome means a period of time, even including forever.

I believe in sola Scriptura. Evolution and millions of years is not scripture.

So scripture is a fairy tale? Good to know where you stand.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
God says he created everything in 6 days and I believe him over any man-made theory.

Those 8 people who came off the ark, they became numerous and built the tower of Babel at which point God confused their languages and they split into people groups. One of those groups became Israel, the rest spread and we are all descended from them.

 

[Quartermaine]

The earth before the flood is a completely different earth.
The earth before the flood was a single land mass with the waters (ocean) surrounding the earth.

After the flood the single land mass was broken up into multiple land areas, possibly what we have today.

why would it break up?

 

[Quartermaine]

The vapour canopy is a Biblical model, I gave you Biblical evidence.

If you don't believe the Bible is another matter.

the vapor canopy is laughable nonsense

 

[Job 33:6]

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Humans, animals, insects, fish, plants, trees are 'born' and start dying from day 1 so yeahhhhh. When you can show me a dog born with wings that breathes fire then I may just believe that evolution is real . or better still how about a cat that can change colour like a chameleon. Now that would be something.

You didn't answer the question. Even for those born, do you think that they too defy entropy when their body develops in a womb? When a baby starts out just as a sperm and egg, and grows into a 5+ foot tall human being, do you think this person is descending into chaos during this process?

And as children grow, their bodies are growing stronger, bigger, more fit, healthier and tougher. So I wouldn't say that young children are dying as they grow up. Quite the opposite, as children grow, their chances of living without their mother, increases, as their body physically grows in size and strength and even in complexity.

Are these people and fetuses descending into chaos as their body grows bigger, faster, stronger and more fit? Do you think their growth defies entropy too?

 

[Quartermaine]

Those cultures were all wiped out. The only people left were the 8 on the ark.

yet all these wiped out cultures managed to keep unbroken records of everything happening around them. how did they do that?

 

[Quartermaine]

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That would be like the pseudo-scientific explanations of evolution then Evolution fails the 2nd Law of thermodynamics and basically fails the scientific method.

the only people who who say this are the ones who don't seem to know the 2nd law of thermodynamics actually says....And they usually have no clue as to how many laws of thermodynamics there much less what any of them might say

I will repeat myself on what I said in an earlier post. There were no high mountains and there were no plate tectonics pre Noah's flood.

did Barbara Eden magically appear in her I dream of Genie costume and blink plate tectonics into existence?

There was a layer of water between the crust and mantle. The crust split sending super heated water into the atmosphere where most fell back as rain.

why would it fall back to earth. the force of such water blowing away the earth's crust would have fare exceeded escape velocity. it would have just kept on going into space.

The splitting of the crust created the tectonic plates that we know and love to this day

how?

and they began to move crashing into each other creating the mountain ranges of today.

and the heat generated friction that would have been the result would make the surface of the earth hotter than the sun.[/quote][/quote]

 

[Steven Beck]

You didn't answer the question. Even for those born, do you think that they too defy entropy when their body develops in a womb? When a baby starts out just as a sperm and egg, and grows into a 5+ foot tall human being, do you think this person is descending into chaos during this process?

And as children grow, their bodies are growing stronger, bigger, more fit, healthier and tougher. So I wouldn't say that young children are dying as they grow up. Quite the opposite, as children grow, their chances of living without their mother, increases, as their body physically grows in size and strength and even in complexity.

Are these people and fetuses descending into chaos as their body grows bigger, faster, stronger and more fit? Do you think their growth defies entropy too?

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Actually I did answer the question, you just didn't like the answer.

 

[Quartermaine]

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Ahh the old 'closed system/open system bogeyman'. I am sorry but the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics applies in ANY system you care to make up.

you have no idea what the 2nd law of thermodynamics says do you?

 

[Steven Beck]

the only people who who say this are the ones who don't seem to know the 2nd law of thermodynamics actually says....And they usually have no clue as to how many laws of thermodynamics there much less what any of them might say

did Barbara Eden magically appear in her I dream of Genie costume and blink plate tectonics into existence?

why would it fall back to earth. the force of such water blowing away the earth's crust would have fare exceeded escape velocity. it would have just kept on going into space.

how?

and the heat generated friction that would have been the result would make the surface of the earth hotter than the sun.

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There are 3

Were you there to check out my story?

You are making that up. but since we are talking escape velocity, why are there more craters on the moon side facing the Earth than on the other side?

You are making that up again.

 

[Quartermaine]

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There are 3

Were you there to check out my story?

You are making that up. but since we are talking escape velocity, why are there more craters on the moon side facing the Earth than on the other side?

You are making that up again.

there is actually more craters on the far side of the moon,

see?

 

[d taylor]

why would it break up?

The flooding of the earth was not just a large rain event.

It was a very violent event, with the fountains of the great deep bursting fourth. I would guess great earthquakes were part of this flooding.

In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

God was using the flood to destroy the nephilim and satans plan to stop the Messiah from entering into the world.