Noah's Flood Was Definitely Local, Why?

[joshua 1 9]

Amen and Ezekiel did too.

I like the 1920x1080 pixels resolution because then you can start to see some of that light on the screen when people are preaching or worshiping God.

 

[Aman777]

The term "Fertile Crescent" was coined by James Breasted back in 1916. We used his book when I took an ancient history class in high school back in the 60's. The teacher said if we ever find a better book on the subject get back to him to let him know. Our teacher lived to be 100 and he was still reading and doing a study up to the end of his life. The area you are talking about they began to do the archeology work in 1986. About 20 years after I began my study of the fertile crescent. According to Bruce Feiler this is the Journey that Abraham walked. (Walking the Bible) Abraham walked the land to claim the land for his descendants. He had a lot of faith.

Deut 11:24 "Every place where you set your foot will be yours: Your territory will extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the Euphrates River to the Mediterranean Sea."

Joshua 1:3 "I will give you every place where you set your foot, as I promised Moses."

Amen. Abraham was from Ur which is another name for Erech, the 2nd City made by Nimrod, the great grandson of Noah. Gen 10:10 The 1st Human city, Babel was therefore built AFTER the Ark arrived. There were NO Humans on this Earth until the Ark arrived. This proves that the ToE, which falsely teaches that Humans descended from Apes, is absolutely and totally wrong. Amen?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Amen. Abraham was from Ur which is another name for Erech, the 2nd City made by Nimrod, the great grandson of Noah. Gen 10:10 The 1st Human city, Babel was therefore built AFTER the Ark arrived. There were NO Humans on this Earth until the Ark arrived. This proves that the ToE, which falsely teaches that Humans descended from Apes, is absolutely and totally wrong. Amen?

We are told in Rev 12:9 "The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him." The question is when? Satan wants to destroy God's Creation. That is why we talk about the incarnation when Jesus becomes incarnate and a part of God's Creation. Jesus is the word and though Jesus the world was framed. (Hebrews11:3) "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,"

 

[Aman777]

We are told in Rev 12:9 "The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him." The question is when?

When Satan lied to Adam and Eve and told them that they would NOT surely die IN THE DAY when they sinned. ALL mankind lives and dies on the present 6th Day because of Satan's lies. The Angels were placed in chains under the darkness. Jde 1:6

 

[joshua 1 9]

When Satan lied to Adam and Eve and told them that they would NOT surely die IN THE DAY when they sinned. ALL mankind lives and dies on the present 6th Day because of Satan's lies. The Angels were placed in chains under the darkness. Jde 1:6

Yes in Romans chapter 5 we learned that sin entered into the world through one man Adam and though Christ Jesus the price was paid for that sin. What I have problems with is we are told the serpent will crawl on it's belly and eat dust. Snakes do not eat dust - worms eat dust. When Jesus stripped satan of his power he was left little more than a worm.

"So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all livestock and all wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life." Genesis 3:14

 

[Aman777]

Yes in Romans chapter 5 we learned that sin entered into the world through one man Adam and though Christ Jesus the price was paid for that sin. What I have problems with is we are told the serpent will crawl on it's belly and eat dust. Snakes do not eat dust - worms eat dust. When Jesus stripped satan of his power he was left little more than a worm.

"So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all livestock and all wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life." Genesis 3:14

All of us eat dust since EVERYTHING is made of air, dust and water. Crawling on your belly shows what a sneaky snake Satan actually is. Reminds me of ole lying Trump. Amen?

 

[joshua 1 9]

All of us eat dust since EVERYTHING is made of air, dust and water.

You forgot the sun.

 

[Aman777]

You forgot the sun.

On the 3rd Day, Lord God/Jesus took some of the air, dust and water God created in the beginning, and inflated it. This was the Big Bang of our Cosmos. EVERYTHING in the present world consists of air, dust and water, which Jesus exploded on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4 He also made another Universe on Day 3.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens (plural) and of the earth when they were created, (Day 3-Gen 1:9-10) in the day that the LORD God (YHWH/Jesus) made the earth and the heavens, (plural)

Notice also that God made the Sun, Moon and Stars on the NEXT Day, the 4th Day. Genesis 1:16

 

[Dan Brooks]

Eber named his son Peleg for the division of the earth that occurred before Peleg was born during Eber's lifetime.

See Genesis 10:25

Now lets do the math according to Genesis 11:10-19

The Flood is Year Zero.

+2 Arphaxad is born
+35 Salah is born
+30 Eber is born
+34 Peleg is born (in whom was named for the division of the earth a la tower of Babel)

What does that add up to... 111 years. The tower of Babel occurred 111 years after the Flood.

It had to be a local flood!

Abraham was born approximately 292 years after the Flood.

The Bible says that only Noah and his family survived. Eight people in total. If the flood were not global, what did all the people on earth die from? (Not to mention all the animals as well.)

 

[Aman777]

The Bible says that only Noah and his family survived. Eight people in total. If the flood were not global, what did all the people on earth die from? (Not to mention all the animals as well.)

Noah's flood totally destroyed Adam's world, ll Peter 3:6 but not planet Earth. As Adam's firmament sank in Lake Van, Turkey 11k years ago, all living creatures, except Noah's family died. This released the 450 ft long Ark into the Lake and the history of Human civilization began on planet Earth.

 

[pat34lee]

Noah's flood totally destroyed Adam's world, ll Peter 3:6 but not planet Earth. As Adam's firmament sank in Lake Van, Turkey 11k years ago, all living creatures, except Noah's family died. This released the 450 ft long Ark into the Lake and the history of Human civilization began on planet Earth.

How long do floods last? Days, maybe even weeks?
Noah's flood waters lasted a year and a half.

 

[GBTG]

@Aman777

Sounds like the space traveling Ark has entered the Twilight Zone! Or has gone to plaid!

 

[Aman777]

How long do floods last? Days, maybe even weeks?
Noah's flood waters lasted a year and a half.

Not so, since Adam's firmament sank in Lake Van, Turkey 11,000 years ago, releasing the 450 ft Ark into the lake. Noah was confused and thought he was still in Adam's firmament instead of being in the mountains of Ararat.

 

[Aman777]

@Aman777

Sounds like the space traveling Ark has entered the Twilight Zone! Or has gone to plaid!

The Ark was more like a Submarine than a Spaceship. It was totally surrounded by Water. Gen 1:6-8 Water was above and below it and anyone who knows anything about water knows that that means the firmament was immersed in water. Amen

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Sounds like the space traveling Ark has entered the Twilight Zone! Or has gone to plaid!

The heresies joshua is promoting , he gave his sources ,
are they being promoted in this thread also ? (it looks like it, possibly the same sources ? anti-Scripture of course)....

Anyway, just a note about the title: The worldwide FLOOD WAS LOCAL ! YES !

It was CONFINED TO EARTH!

YES!

Local to EARTH, covering the whole earth, and NOT affecting the moon, mars, venus, jupiter, mercury, saturn or pluto.
Oh, ywa, the worldwide FLOOD DID NOT affect the sun either.
(although it certainly affected anyone on earth watching the sun, yes)

Simple. Avoid the controversy, avoid the heresies, once the sources are known it is obvious. No need for argument about that.

 

[GBTG]

What?

Sorry for the typo "actual"...

If the waters covered more than ~16854 feet, I believe that the Bible would say 803 cubits, not 15 cubits.

Warm regards, GBTG

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

"You do need not be a professional scientist to realize the tremendous implications of these biblical statements. If the highest mountains1 were covered with water, the Flood would have been global in geographical extent, for water must seek its own level—and it must do so quickly!

The phrase “fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail” does not mean that the Flood was only 15 cubits deep, for the phrase is qualified by the one which immediately follows: “and the mountains were covered.”

Because Genesis 6:15 tells us that the height of the Ark was 30 cubits, nearly all commentators agree that the phrase “fifteen cubits” in 7:20 must refer to how deep the Ark sank into the water when it was fully laden. Such information adds further support for a universal Flood, because it tells us that the Flood “prevailed” over the tops of the highest mountains to a depth of at least 15 cubits. If the Flood had not covered the mountains by at least such a depth, the Ark could not have floated over them during the five months in which the waters “prevailed” upon the earth."

 

[GBTG]

You are correct about the implications... Simple math.

The volume of a sphere is easy to calculate: V = 4/3πr³

The earth has a radius of ~3959 miles discounting topography. Now we need to know the radius of the flood. That’s the earth radius, plus the height of Everest, plus 15 cubits (22ft). So 3959 miles + 29,028 ft +22 feet = 3959 miles + 29050 feet = 3959 miles + 5.5018939 miles = 3964.5018939 miles

If we plug those two radii in to our volume formula, we get these volumes:

259,923,241,564 miles³ for the volume of the earth.

261,008,408,332 miles³ for the volume of the earth at flood.

If we then subtract the earth volume from the flood volume, we’ll get the volume of water required to fill that space. That’s how much it would need to rain. That turns out to be 1,085,166,768 miles³of rain. Now, let’s cut that by 25% because land, mountains, etc. occupy some of that volume. All that space would not be filled with water. The 25% figure is generous since oceans, which by definition sit at sea level, cover 70% of the earth and the rest of the earth isn’t nearly as high as Everest.

That means that there had to be 813,875,076 miles³ of rain for the flood to cover every mountain. To put that in perspective, the oceans have about 321,000,000 miles³ of water. All the water on Earth only adds up to about 332,500,000 miles³.Therefore for the flood to have covered everything , the water on earth would have had to multiply by about 250%. This would be the equivalent to melting the moon Europa on the Earth.

Let’s try to put that in another perspective. The Atlantic Ocean is about 80,000,000 miles³. That means, there needed to be more water than could be contained by ten Atlantic Oceans to cover the whole Earth. If this is indeed the case as you imply, where did the 250% extra water go?

Regards, GBTG

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If this is indeed the case as you imply, where did the 250% extra water go?

GOOD , GOOD, (well, the numbers you used are suspect)
but GOOD that you seek the answer, if you are seeking the TRUTH!

 

[GBTG]

Ok... I was checking with secular science , as I am a scientist and wanted to validate my argument and came across this Huge Underground Reservoir Holds Three Times as Much Water as Earth’s Oceans — NOVA Next | PBS

Science can demonstrate that there is believed to be 300% water under the surface of the Earth that we cannot see, this is 50% more than my required 250% listed above for a global flood to be possible. As with myth busters I will have to change my argument to "plausible" until I research this further. This is not to say I agree that it was a global flood just yet, but rather that the earth can indeed hold this much water. The Bible does describe where this water is located, and where it came from in the flood. We still have geology and other sciences to look at for correlation.

This would correlate to Genesis 7:11:

"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

I always wondered about the "fountains of the great deep" description. Science says the water is there which also is supported by Genesis 8:2:

"The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;"

The interesting part about this, is that secular science once again can give credence to the Bible, are my numbers therefore still suspect? For I could not have come to this finding otherwise. As I have contended since joining this forum, secular science is very useful at providing answers to legitimize the Bible, too those that are not saved!

Warm regards, GBTG