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OldWiseGuy

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ONLY IF THE WATER RISING UP ON THE CONTINENTS was not rising up on the continents of earth. OR if you assume the continents before the Flood were near perfect planes.

YOU brought up laminar flow. You can't now run away from it.

I stick by it. The layer of water at ground level would be moving much slower than layers above it, thus minimal erosion.
 
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So why is there shale and clay on the continents post Flood? Or are you of the opinion that there isn't?

Are they "everywhere' as scoffers insist? It seems to me that such deposits would be very fragile; undetectable in areas under cultivation or other development.
 
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Here's the term you are looking for: subsidence and ISOSTACY.

You are attempting to leverage topics that are relatively well known (granted usually the moon probably doesn't have the ability to really raise the ocean crust sufficient to flood the continents to 8000 feet deep. But there are many known mechanisms to explain isostatic depression and uplift.

(See, there's so much more to GEOLOGY than simply coming to the table with some vague ideas.)
 
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I stick by it. The layer of water at ground level would be moving much slower than layers above it, thus minimal erosion.

And that can ONLY happen if it is flowing over a flat plane. Any things it flows over would induce turbulence, certainly at the leading edge of the water flowing in.
 
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Are they "everywhere' as scoffers insist? It seems to me that such deposits would be very fragile; undetectable in areas under cultivation or other development.

"It seems to me"?

You got to be kidding, the science and physics of water is known. Learn it, because everything you posit about the flood is nonsense. It doesnt work, really, and there isnt enough water and there is no trace whatsoever of a worldwide flood.

It didnt happen, get over it.
 
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Let's add some help from beneath the sea beds, like a few really hot spots causing giant lava domes. Between that and moon I don't think there would be much trouble flooding the earth.
 
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Are they "everywhere' as scoffers insist? It seems to me that such deposits would be very fragile; undetectable in areas under cultivation or other development.

They sure are quite common. It is among the most common type of sedimentary rock. It would be pretty hard to find a continent where there is no shale somewhere.
 
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This is only important if one NEEDS Genesis 1:1 to be anything more than allegory.
No, it isn't.

I'll take whatever belief system you wish to employ: from Last Thursday to Ultraliteral.

Just tell me how old the earth is in Genesis 1:1.

My answer is simple and fast: It is as old as God created it.

But the fact that I'm getting so much run-around with so simple a question speaks volumes.

Your science truly short-circuits your understanding, does it not?

Maybe I should ask my mentally-challenged nephew how old it is?

He hasn't been brainwashed with science philosophy.
 
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Well it is a very stupid question, especially when asked to people who are atheists.
 
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And that can ONLY happen if it is flowing over a flat plane. Any things it flows over would induce turbulence, certainly at the leading edge of the water flowing in.

I covered that already. The flow over the surface of flat land would slow down as the water rises as there would be more friction. Obstacles that would cause turbulence would become structure that slows the flow of water as the water rises. The laminar flows would then occur near the top of the advancing water.
 
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Let's add some help from beneath the sea beds, like a few really hot spots causing giant lava domes. Between that and moon I don't think there would be much trouble flooding the earth.

I'm not saying the oceans cannot transgress onto the continents! They literally see it ALL THE TIME in the geologic record. Which is why geologists know kind of what you are proposing looks like on a small scale.

The only difference is you are asking them to use all available knowledge and assume that a similar process on a larger scale will produce something that is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, despite it being the same process (Transgressive sequence)
 
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I think there was a 'tipping point' where the flood overcame the land.
 
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Then answer it stupidly.

Why?

I dont care about the answer as I dont care about the bible but I do know its incredibly stupid and ignorant reading it literally.

Literal interpretation and storytelling is very modern and would not be the method chosen for ancient religious texts. They contain truth, or what the writers thought where true, but not literal truth.
 
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Then don't take it literally, if that's not your bag.

Just tell me how old it is.
I can tell you how old the Earth is. It is roughly 4.55 billion years old.

I can't answer your question as asked. It was nonsensical.
 
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Wow. That is some MIRACLE FLOW. Perhaps you could work out the Reynold's Number for us just for fun. But you will have to tell us your explicit assumptions of the kind of surface the water is flowing over and between.

I would REALLY be amazed if you could move 4,000,000,000,000,000,000 cubic feet of water in the space of 150 days without it drifting into Re >4000 at some significant number of points.

But I will assume you have already run the numbers and can show your work to us. Thanks!
 
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They don't need to settle out at all but would be carried into the sea when the flood receded.
How could the flood recede? The ocean was already full of water. You are trying to claim that very deep water would not affect the surface and not explaining where the water came from or went to.
 
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Pretty short story, isn't it?

I've used a shorter one (In the beginning, God) to pwn those who arc & spark about Christians having different interpretations supposedly being the reason they don't believe in God.
Should read "In the beginning, the Son of God created......" according to John 1
 
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Should read "In the beginning, the Son of God created......" according to John 1

ah ha ! Maybe someone is paying a little attention (but not enough to learn the truth).

Homework for research: find out how YHWH ABBA ALMIGHTY created the universe and everything and all life that is in it;
AND
also
"all things were created through" JESUS and by Him... and nothing that was created was created without Him....
 
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I can't answer your question as asked. It was nonsensical.
Yup.

Remove all your fancy "evidence," and you guys flounder like a fish out of water.

What's going to happen when people stand before God and try to present their physical evidence as to why the Bible was wrong?

Where will it be?

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Suppose He gave them 10 minutes to find it, or it's aitch-time?

What are they going to do then?
 
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