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Noah's ark - How??

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God's instructions to Noah: Click the links for the words animal and clean.
Gen 7:2
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"You shall take with you of every clean animal by sevens, a male and his female; and of the animals that are not clean two, a male and his female;

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  2. cattle, livestock (of domestic animals)
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Even though ceremonially clean animals weren't spelled out until Moses' day, "clean" would have limited the count quite a bit.

Clean animals in Leviticus 11


By the way, I just saw a show on the History Channel, that huge boats are being discovered in ruins of different ancient civilizations. So our questions of how he could have constructed the ark are getting answers.

http://www.thehistorychannel.co.uk/site/tv_guide/full_details/Ancient_history/programme_2682.php
( I think it was a different show, broader topics... spoke of huge Egyptian boat buried with a Pharaoh.)
 
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Then how did all of the other animals survive the flood? Animals like polar bears, wolves, and cobras? And how did Noah keep all of the animals alive, considering that animals have different dietary, climatary, and territorial needs which would be in direct conflict with eachother?
 
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Then how did all of the other animals survive the flood? Animals like polar bears, wolves, and cobras? And how did Noah keep all of the animals alive, considering that animals have different dietary, climatary, and territorial needs which would be in direct conflict with eachother?

Dunno.
 
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Just...how did Noah pull that one off? Two of every creature? Every beetle? Every poisonous, carnivorous, vicious animal? I don't buy it.

I'm pretty definite that this has been asked and answered, so if it has I would appreciate a link to the post.
Just the same way as when every animal came up to Adam so that he could name them.

God had them do it. All the world obeys God so much so that when he declares that there will be light ... then there it is.
 
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There are feasibility studies that have been done that show it more than possible for the account in Genesis to have been done as Bible states, but so often, few, including myself at one time, even take a close look at what is said.
Recently, it has been found that the term "gopher wood" used in the Bible describing the material that the ark was constructed of, was actually laminated wood, using pitch as glue. Anyone who has used plywood, today, knows of its superior lightweight strengths.
I used to be very skepical, too, until I put down my prejudice long anough to take a good look and see how the mathematics work for such an undertaking.
Believe it or not, there are people out there that have the average size and weight of all the animals on earth, as desribed in scriptures, and can tell you exactly how many box cars or storage units it would take to house and feed all of them for a given time.
 
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Just...how did Noah pull that one off? Two of every creature? Every beetle? Every poisonous, carnivorous, vicious animal? I don't buy it.

I'm pretty definite that this has been asked and answered, so if it has I would appreciate a link to the post.

This is only a problem if you take it literally. The first 11 chapters of Genesis are pre-history, probably based on actual events, but their purpose is to teach us religious and spiritual truths, not literal history.
 
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The feat of Noah's ark does seem like God would have to be involved to get it done.
If there was such a storm that would impact the world or the region, it probably was preceded by an event that cause steam to rise into the atmosphere, to create the clouds.

Think volcanic, seismic, cosmic... each of these involves intense shaking, which would drive animals out of hiding, into higher elevations.


http://www.deprem.cs.itu.edu.tr/Animal_Behavior.htm
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/parkfield/eq_predict.php
http://www.levity.com/mavericks/quake.htm :
"Since the beginning of recorded history, virtually every culture in the world has reported observations of unusual animal behavior prior to earthquakes (and-- to a lesser extent-- volcanic eruptions)... the Chinese and Japanese have employed suchsightings for hundreds of years as an important part of anationally-orchestrated earthquake warning systems...

"Gravitational variations due to the lunar cycles, he says, create "seismic windows" of greater earthquake probability. When the number of missing pets also suddenly rises, then-- bingo-- a quake is likely to happen.

"Deep sea fish, for example, have been caught close to the surface of the ocean on numerous occasions around Japan prior to earthquakes

"Some organisms respond to changes inthe polarity and concentration of atmospheric ions, and they suspect that this sensitivity enables some animals to detect the air-ionizingeffects of radon released from the ground in advance of certain earthquakes.

See also
When the Snakes Awake, Helmut Tributsch

Coming soon to a theater near you. ;)
 
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Just...how did Noah pull that one off? Two of every creature? Every beetle? Every poisonous, carnivorous, vicious animal? I don't buy it.

I'm pretty definite that this has been asked and answered, so if it has I would appreciate a link to the post.


I always thought a better question was how he built this thing with just hand tools, and 3 people. I mean that must have taken a long time, and God had to wait all that time for this guy Noah to build this boat.

But also, we are dealing with infant, and young animals at this time, not full grown one There is also an idea that they were "put to sleep" while on the Ark, so they would not move around, or get hungry.

Hope that helps you.

God Bless

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I always thought a better question was how he built this thing with just hand tools, and 3 people. I mean that must have taken a long time, and God had to wait all that time for this guy Noah to build this boat.

But also, we are dealing with infant, and young animals at this time, not full grown one There is also an idea that they were "put to sleep" while on the Ark, so they would not move around, or get hungry.

Hope that helps you.

God Bless

Key

And eggs rather than full grown ostriches. So now we know which came first between the chicken and the egg. ;)
 
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Was the ark large enough to hold all the required animals?

The Ark measured 300x50x30 cubits (Genesis 6:15), which is about 140x23x13.5 metres or 459x75x44 feet, so its volume was 43,500 m3 (cubic metres) or 1.54 million cubic feet. To put this in perspective, this is the equivalent volume of 522 standard American railroad stock cars, each of which can hold 240 sheep.

If the animals were kept in cages with an average size of 50x50x30 centimetres (20x20x12 inches), that is 75,000 cm3 (cubic centimetres) or 4800 cubic inches, the 16,000 animals would only occupy 1200 m3 (42,000 cubic feet) or 14.4 stock cars. Even if a million insect species had to be on board, it would not be a problem, because they require little space. If each pair was kept in cages of 10 cm (four inches) per side, or 1000 cm3, all the insect species would occupy a total volume of only 1000 m3, or another 12 cars. This would leave room for five trains of 99 cars each for food, Noah’s family and ‘range’ for the animals. However, insects are not included in the meaning of behemah or remes in Genesis 6:19-20, so Noah probably would not have taken them on board as passengers anyway.

Tabulating the total volume is fair enough, since this shows that there would be plenty of room on the Ark for the animals with plenty left over for food, range etc. It would be possible to stack cages, with food on top or nearby (to minimize the amount of food carrying the humans had to do), to fill up more of the Ark space, while still allowing plenty of room for gaps for air circulation. We are discussing an emergency situation, not necessarily luxury accommodation. Although there is plenty of room for exercise, skeptics have overstated animals’ needs for exercise anyway.

Even if we don’t allow stacking one cage on top of another to save floor space, there would be no problem. Woodmorappe shows from standard recommended floor space requirements for animals that all of them together would have needed less than half the available floor space of the Ark’s three decks. This arrangement allows for the maximum amount of food and water storage on top of the cages close to the animals.

Food requirements
The Ark would probably have carried compressed and dried foodstuffs, and probably a lot of concentrated food. Perhaps Noah fed the cattle mainly on grain, plus some hay for fibre. Woodmorappe calculated that the volume of foodstuffs would have been only about 15 % of the Ark’s total volume. Drinking water would only have taken up 9.4 % of the volume. This volume would be reduced further if rainwater was collected and piped into troughs.

The above is an extract from answersingenesis.org

In terms of numbers and sizes The largest animals were probably represented by ‘teenage’ or even younger specimens. The median size of all animals on the ark would actually have been that of a small rat, according to Woodmorappe‘s up-to-date tabulations, while only about 11 % would have been much larger than a sheep.

Also you would not take 1 of each type of cow but rather 1 of each genus type. Woodmorappe's totals calculate about 8000 genera, including extinct genera, thus about 16,000 individual animals which had to be aboard.
 
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Let's not forget something very critical!! God said two of each "Kind", this does not mean every species and subspecies (as we know them today). the Biblical "kind" is at least as high as the genus level and possibly even the order level (kingdom, phylum, class, order, genus, species... did I get that right?)

For example, not all wolves, coyotes, dogs, hyeanas, foxes, etc were necessary, only one "kind", the archtype from which all these descended. It is the same with all animals. Likewise, not all lions, tigers, panthers, cheetahs, etc. were necessary, only the feline archtype. This is still perfectly consistent with creationism and shows that actually, as long as all archtypes were represented on the ark, relatively few were needed.
 
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Let's not forget that there never was a Flood before speculating about the Ark.

According to naturalistic theories there wasn't, but remember the Flood was a direct act of God and may not have left the usual natural footprints of floods we observe today. Perhaps there was a way God receded the waters that affected the physical evidence we are looking at. Perhaps the changes made to the world immediately after the flood, like the creation of rainbows, also affected the physical evidence. This would limit the usefulness of science due to its naturalistic presuppositions.

But what's interesting are the universal flood legends found around the world, in virtually every culture. These would suggest a history different from the one constructed by methodological naturalists.
 
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But what's interesting are the universal flood legends found around the world, in virtually every culture. These would suggest a history different from the one constructed by methodological naturalists.
Untrue.

Flood legends exist in many Mediteranian and Eurasian cultures, noteably those with precursor cultures around the Black Sea basin.

Most linguists, geologists, anthropologists and archaeologists agree that the basis for Flood legends are from a real event, the Black sea innundation, which would have been an unutterably world shattering event for the locals at the time, but a long way from a "global flood"
 
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