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[cow451]

Saw it for myself, something to the effect of,

'I may be a crusty old politician, but we'll take that 1st Amendment from you one day" - Senator Joe Biden

Big difference between a novice constitutional scholar and national treachery!

Try sourcing this quote.

 

[cow451]

Saw it for myself, something to the effect of,

'I may be a crusty old politician, but we'll take that 1st Amendment from you one day" - Senator Joe Biden

Big difference between a novice constitutional scholar and national treachery!

“Trump” and “scholar” can never be used together.

 

[rocknanchor]

Try sourcing this quote.

It was an earlier Biden and would not surprise me in the least to find it Google-washed. Though that may be hard to swallow, it is what appeared to be a college-aged interviewing team nonetheless. If I can think of any more specifics I'll let you know. Come to think of it, by the looks of the pretty little interviewer's choice of fashion she bore and the Senator's own facial timeframe, I would place it somewhere in the mid-80s. Plenty of time for a change of heart, or, an exacerbation of the same.

 

[rocknanchor]

“Trump” and “scholar” can never be used together.

We are all scholars of life, though Donald's was subject to the truer sense of academia. BTW, he certainly had the Lord's initial feature of 'hate without a cause" about him on a daily scale and the resulting debunking cycle,

“Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets."

, , unlike his opponent whose image suffered under daily sources of substance.

 

[cow451]

We are all scholars of life, though Donald's was subject to the truer sense of academia. BTW, he certainly had the Lord's initial feature of 'hate without a cause" about him on a daily scale and the resulting debunking cycle,

“Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets."

, , unlike his opponent whose image suffered under daily sources of substance.

Trump certainly has much to learn… but he seems incapable of learning.

 

[cow451]

It was an earlier Biden and would not surprise me in the least to find it Google-washed. Though that may be hard to swallow, it is what appeared to be a college-aged interviewing team nonetheless. If I can think of any more specifics I'll let you know. Come to think of it, by the looks of the pretty little interviewer's choice of fashion she bore and the Senator's own facial timeframe, I would place it somewhere in the mid-80s. Plenty of time for a change of heart, or, an exacerbation of the same.

Wow. You had to go back 40 years to find that. Just wow.

 

[wing2000]

We are all scholars of life, though Donald's was subject to the truer sense of academia. BTW, he certainly had the Lord's initial feature of 'hate without a cause" about him on a daily scale and the resulting debunking cycle,

“Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets."

, , unlike his opponent whose image suffered under daily sources of substance.

"Woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry. Woe to you who laugh now, for you will mourn and weep. Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets. “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you."

Seems you left out the last part.
[how you associate Trump with the this scripture is beyond me]

 

[Hazelelponi]

Try sourcing this quote.

1974 in the Washingtonian:

"Although he makes deprecating noises about some senators and calls Congress an antiquated nineteenth-century institution, he still is proud of his position. He thoroughly enjoys being a politician. “I am proud to be a politician. There is no other walk of life which can do more good for mankind than politics. It influences every thing that happens to the American people. You might think I’m off the wall when I say this, but I believe what Plato said 2,000 years ago: ‘The penalty good men pay for not becoming involved in politics is being governed by men worse than themselves.”

He defines politics as power. “And, whether you like it or not, young lady,” he says, leaning over his desk to shake a finger at me, “us cruddy politicians can take away that First Amendrnent of yours if we want to.” There’s no time to pursue the point—Biden is summoned to the floor for a vote. On the way over to the Capitol he channels the conversation away from politics, talking about his family"

Death and the All-American Boy | Washingtonian (DC)

 

[cow451]

1974 in the Washingtonian:

"Although he makes deprecating noises about some senators and calls Congress an antiquated nineteenth-century institution, he still is proud of his position. He thoroughly enjoys being a politician. “I am proud to be a politician. There is no other walk of life which can do more good for mankind than politics. It influences every thing that happens to the American people. You might think I’m off the wall when I say this, but I believe what Plato said 2,000 years ago: ‘The penalty good men pay for not becoming involved in politics is being governed by men worse than themselves.”

He defines politics as power. “And, whether you like it or not, young lady,” he says, leaning over his desk to shake a finger at me, “us cruddy politicians can take away that First Amendrnent of yours if we want to.” There’s no time to pursue the point—Biden is summoned to the floor for a vote. On the way over to the Capitol he channels the conversation away from politics, talking about his family"

Death and the All-American Boy | Washingtonian (DC)

So that was fifty years ago. Nice digging.

The context is important.
From the link:
‘The penalty good men pay for not becoming involved in politics is being governed by men worse than themselves.”

Therefore, he is simply stating "if" Americans elect bad people (perhaps a reference to Nixon/Agnew) rights are at risk. Today, the reference point would be Donald Trump.

 

[Hazelelponi]

So that was fifty years ago. Nice digging.

The context is important.
From the link:
‘The penalty good men pay for not becoming involved in politics is being governed by men worse than themselves.”

Therefore, he is simply stating "if" Americans elect bad people (perhaps a reference to Nixon/Agnew) rights are at risk. Today, the reference point would be Donald Trump.

50 years ago the man (Biden) saw American politicians as a power base that could effect any change those wielding it desire...

He did not see American politicians as people who represented the stated interests of their constituency - politicians who had constitutional limitations placed upon their "power".

It's fair to say in action, he (and his party) still sees politics the same way. Voters are pesky inconveniences, not people who are entitled to have their interests represented.

 

[cow451]

50 years ago the man (Biden) saw American politicians as a power base that could effect any change those wielding it desire...

He did not see American politicians as people who represented the stated interests of their constituency - politicians who had constitutional limitations placed upon their "power".

It's fair to say in action, he still sees politics the same way.

Politicians are still politicians. Politicians will always be politicians. Therefore we should be wary of those that are more concerned with a personal brand than the law.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Politicians are still politicians. Politicians will always be politicians. Therefore we should be wary of those that are more concerned with a personal brand than the law.

We should be wary of those who don't care about the interests of the people.

The one thing Trump did was to actually represent the people, he did accomplish all he could of what the voters were asking for, despite all the opposition against him.

Biden doesn't do that, he doesn't care about the interests of the people here.

 

[cow451]

We should be wary of those who don't care about the interests of the people.

The one thing Trump did was to actually represent the people, he did accomplish all he could of what the voters were asking for, despite all the opposition against him.

Biden doesn't do that, he doesn't care about the interests of the people here.

You seriously do not understand Trump. He has zero interest in "the people" other than how they can enhance the Trump brand. Trump would love nothing more than to become President-for-life as Putin has become. That's why he admires totalitarians like Putin. Trump has no respect for the rule of law as clearly evidenced by his attempts to prevent the certification of the 2020 election results.

In the 40 years I've been aware of Mr. Trump, I have seen nothing but grifting. The like of Trump were what Plato was referencing.

 

[Hazelelponi]

You seriously do not understand

I seriously understand his policies were exactly what people wanted... They represented American people's interests. That is what all politicians should be doing in a representative republic.

I don't care about what anyone thinks about the man. As a representative he did wonderfully, despite all the opposition against him.

 

[DaisyDay]

1974 in the Washingtonian:

"Although he makes deprecating noises about some senators and calls Congress an antiquated nineteenth-century institution, he still is proud of his position. He thoroughly enjoys being a politician. “I am proud to be a politician. There is no other walk of life which can do more good for mankind than politics. It influences every thing that happens to the American people. You might think I’m off the wall when I say this, but I believe what Plato said 2,000 years ago: ‘The penalty good men pay for not becoming involved in politics is being governed by men worse than themselves.”

He defines politics as power. “And, whether you like it or not, young lady,” he says, leaning over his desk to shake a finger at me, “us cruddy politicians can take away that First Amendrnent of yours if we want to.” There’s no time to pursue the point—Biden is summoned to the floor for a vote. On the way over to the Capitol he channels the conversation away from politics, talking about his family"

Death and the All-American Boy | Washingtonian (DC)

If we want to...I haven't seen that Biden actually wanted to, but was warning what politicians could do. He was not wrong.

Saw it for myself, something to the effect of,

'I may be a crusty old politician, but we'll take that 1st Amendment from you one day" - Senator Joe Biden

Big difference between a novice constitutional scholar and national treachery!

He was neither crusty nor old and, most importantly, said that politicians could do it if they'd a mind to, not that he ever intended to do that.

When you use quote marks and attribute words to an actual person when you are not quoting them accurately, that is akin to a lie. This is how "alternate facts" get born.

Trump was so far from a scholar, so extremely uninterested and impatient at his aides' attempts to educate him that it is ridiculous, scandalous, to call him a "novice scholar" of the Constitution.

 

[DaisyDay]

We should be wary of those who don't care about the interests of the people.

The one thing Trump did was to actually represent the people, he did accomplish all he could of what the voters were asking for, despite all the opposition against him.

He certainly did represent certain people, but he called other citizens that he should be representing "enemies of the people" and was openly hostile to many he was supposed to be representing.

Biden doesn't do that, he doesn't care about the interests of the people here.

That is demagoguery and projection.

 

[Hazelelponi]

If we want to...I haven't seen that Biden actually wanted to, but was warning what politicians could do. He was not wrong.

He was neither crusty nor old and, most importantly, said that politicians could do it if they'd a mind to, not that he ever intended to do that.

When you use quote marks and attribute words to an actual person when you are not quoting them accurately, that is akin to a lie. This is how "alternate facts" get born.

Trump was so far from a scholar, so extremely uninterested and impatient at his aides' attempts to educate him that it is ridiculous, scandalous, to call him a "novice scholar" of the Constitution.

I quoted Biden in full in context without omission in such a manner that no link had to be followed to understand what was said.

Beyond that, I later gave my analysis, in my opinion, based upon what was said.

Take it or leave it, nothing was hidden, nothing omitted. We can all see the same thing.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

I seriously understand his policies were exactly what people wanted... They represented American people's interests. That is what all politicians should be doing in a representative republic.

I don't care about what anyone thinks about the man. As a representative he did wonderfully, despite all the opposition against him.

No his policies were not what the people wanted. If they were he would be President, instead a record number of people come out to vote against him.

 

[Hazelelponi]

No his policies were not what the people wanted. If they were he would be President, instead a record number of people come out to vote against him.

With the silencing of any opposing voice during the elections, it's little wonder Biden won. Freedom of political speech is a thing of the past these days.

Same as now with the war in Ukraine. I have a Facebook friend who made a post for discussion among his friends, and Facebook is only showing "relevant" posts, and there's no way to see the posts that Facebook has deemed irrelevant to the discussion. They are simply ghosted posts.

These days people literally have to speak in person, or not speak at all because they are silenced at every opportunity.

 

[chad kincham]

Pssst….. keep this between us…. There was this election thingy in 2020 and DJT lost bigly. But keep this quiet because he doesn’t know.

Trump absolutely won the election

The evidence of mail in ballot manipulation aside,
Trump won the 2020 election by every established metric that exists.


1. For 150 years a president in his second election that increases the number of votes he received in the first election, invariably wins a second term. Trump received an astonishing 11 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016.


2. There is always a down-ballot effect, aka the coattail effect that occurs, where the party of the presidential election winner also gets the majority of votes for congressional seats up for election that are on the ballot too. Most people vote for the same party as their presidential pick, and vote a straight party ticket.

If Biden won the election, his party should have won the majority of senate and house seats up for election on the 2020 ballot - yet the coattail effect went with Trump.


The NY Times reported the Democrats suffered “crushing down-ballot losses across America”

So, how deep were the losses for the Democrats? In the U.S. House, Nancy Pelosi predicted Democrats would gain 10 to 12 seats. Instead, the Republicans flipped 15.


But the biggest down-ballot effect was in the statehouses, per the American Legislative Exchange Council:


The GOP gained a total of 192 House and 40 Senate seats. Republicans flipped control of three chambers. As a result of these down ballot wins, Republicans now have majority control in both House and Senate chambers in 31 of 50 states. Democrats have control in only 18 states.

1. Bellwether counties: whoever wins them, wins the presidential election:

Indiana’s Vigo County has been won by every presidential winner since 1956; the same is true for New Mexico’s Valencia County since 1952.


Trump won both counties in 2020 - Vigo by over 14 points, and Valencia by 11 points.


There are 19 bellwether counties that have a perfect track record since 1980 of voting for the successful presidential candidate.


Donald Trump won 18 out of these 19 counties on November 3.


4. Bellwether states: In most presidential elections of the past century, there were two bellwether states - Ohio and Florida - that were almost always won by the national eventual winner. As the adage goes, “As Ohio goes, so goes the nation.”


Only twice since 1904 has the presidential winner not won Ohio. During that same time, only three presidents won the nation without winning Florida.


In the past 120 years, only one presidential candidate has ever won both Ohio and Florida and still lost the national electoral vote.


In 2020, Trump won both states by large margins. Biden failed miserably in both states yet was supposedly the winner of the presidential race.