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[DaisyDay]

Trump absolutely won the election

The evidence of mail in ballot manipulation aside,
Trump won the 2020 election by every established metric that exists.


1. For 150 years a president in his second election that increases the number of votes he received in the first election, invariably wins a second term. Trump received an astonishing 11 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016.


2. There is always a down-ballot effect, aka the coattail effect that occurs, where the party of the presidential election winner also gets the majority of votes for congressional seats up for election that are on the ballot too. Most people vote for the same party as their presidential pick, and vote a straight party ticket.

If Biden won the election, his party should have won the majority of senate and house seats up for election on the 2020 ballot - yet the coattail effect went with Trump.


The NY Times reported the Democrats suffered “crushing down-ballot losses across America”

So, how deep were the losses for the Democrats? In the U.S. House, Nancy Pelosi predicted Democrats would gain 10 to 12 seats. Instead, the Republicans flipped 15.


But the biggest down-ballot effect was in the statehouses, per the American Legislative Exchange Council:


The GOP gained a total of 192 House and 40 Senate seats. Republicans flipped control of three chambers. As a result of these down ballot wins, Republicans now have majority control in both House and Senate chambers in 31 of 50 states. Democrats have control in only 18 states.

1. Bellwether counties: whoever wins them, wins the presidential election:

Indiana’s Vigo County has been won by every presidential winner since 1956; the same is true for New Mexico’s Valencia County since 1952.


Trump won both counties in 2020 - Vigo by over 14 points, and Valencia by 11 points.


There are 19 bellwether counties that have a perfect track record since 1980 of voting for the successful presidential candidate.


Donald Trump won 18 out of these 19 counties on November 3.


4. Bellwether states: In most presidential elections of the past century, there were two bellwether states - Ohio and Florida - that were almost always won by the national eventual winner. As the adage goes, “As Ohio goes, so goes the nation.”


Only twice since 1904 has the presidential winner not won Ohio. During that same time, only three presidents won the nation without winning Florida.


In the past 120 years, only one presidential candidate has ever won both Ohio and Florida and still lost the national electoral vote.


In 2020, Trump won both states by large margins. Biden failed miserably in both states yet was supposedly the winner of the presidential race.

Sadly for you, the two metrics that actually count, votes and electoral votes went against him.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Trump absolutely won the election

The evidence of mail in ballot manipulation aside,
Trump won the 2020 election by every established metric that exists.


1. For 150 years a president in his second election that increases the number of votes he received in the first election, invariably wins a second term. Trump received an astonishing 11 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016.


2. There is always a down-ballot effect, aka the coattail effect that occurs, where the party of the presidential election winner also gets the majority of votes for congressional seats up for election that are on the ballot too. Most people vote for the same party as their presidential pick, and vote a straight party ticket.

If Biden won the election, his party should have won the majority of senate and house seats up for election on the 2020 ballot - yet the coattail effect went with Trump.


The NY Times reported the Democrats suffered “crushing down-ballot losses across America”

So, how deep were the losses for the Democrats? In the U.S. House, Nancy Pelosi predicted Democrats would gain 10 to 12 seats. Instead, the Republicans flipped 15.


But the biggest down-ballot effect was in the statehouses, per the American Legislative Exchange Council:


The GOP gained a total of 192 House and 40 Senate seats. Republicans flipped control of three chambers. As a result of these down ballot wins, Republicans now have majority control in both House and Senate chambers in 31 of 50 states. Democrats have control in only 18 states.

1. Bellwether counties: whoever wins them, wins the presidential election:

Indiana’s Vigo County has been won by every presidential winner since 1956; the same is true for New Mexico’s Valencia County since 1952.


Trump won both counties in 2020 - Vigo by over 14 points, and Valencia by 11 points.


There are 19 bellwether counties that have a perfect track record since 1980 of voting for the successful presidential candidate.


Donald Trump won 18 out of these 19 counties on November 3.


4. Bellwether states: In most presidential elections of the past century, there were two bellwether states - Ohio and Florida - that were almost always won by the national eventual winner. As the adage goes, “As Ohio goes, so goes the nation.”


Only twice since 1904 has the presidential winner not won Ohio. During that same time, only three presidents won the nation without winning Florida.


In the past 120 years, only one presidential candidate has ever won both Ohio and Florida and still lost the national electoral vote.


In 2020, Trump won both states by large margins. Biden failed miserably in both states yet was supposedly the winner of the presidential race.

LOL
The only established metric is the electoral college and for all its faults, he lost that one in spite of his attempts to corrupt it's function on January 6.

 

[cow451]

I seriously understand his policies were exactly what people wanted... They represented American people's interests. That is what all politicians should be doing in a representative republic.

I don't care about what anyone thinks about the man. As a representative he did wonderfully, despite all the opposition against him.

He did so wonderfully he lost in 2020.

 

[cow451]

With the silencing of any opposing voice during the elections, it's little wonder Biden won. Freedom of political speech is a thing of the past these days.

Whose voice was silenced in 2020? Certainly not (then) President Trump's.

 

[cow451]

You accused me of lying... I did no such thing.. I'm also done with this conversation, have fun making false accusations of people.

What lie were you accused making?

Trump absolutely won the election

The evidence of mail in ballot manipulation aside,
Trump won the 2020 election by every established metric that exists.


1. For 150 years a president in his second election that increases the number of votes he received in the first election, invariably wins a second term. Trump received an astonishing 11 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016.


2. There is always a down-ballot effect, aka the coattail effect that occurs, where the party of the presidential election winner also gets the majority of votes for congressional seats up for election that are on the ballot too. Most people vote for the same party as their presidential pick, and vote a straight party ticket.

If Biden won the election, his party should have won the majority of senate and house seats up for election on the 2020 ballot - yet the coattail effect went with Trump.


The NY Times reported the Democrats suffered “crushing down-ballot losses across America”

So, how deep were the losses for the Democrats? In the U.S. House, Nancy Pelosi predicted Democrats would gain 10 to 12 seats. Instead, the Republicans flipped 15.


But the biggest down-ballot effect was in the statehouses, per the American Legislative Exchange Council:


The GOP gained a total of 192 House and 40 Senate seats. Republicans flipped control of three chambers. As a result of these down ballot wins, Republicans now have majority control in both House and Senate chambers in 31 of 50 states. Democrats have control in only 18 states.

1. Bellwether counties: whoever wins them, wins the presidential election:

Indiana’s Vigo County has been won by every presidential winner since 1956; the same is true for New Mexico’s Valencia County since 1952.


Trump won both counties in 2020 - Vigo by over 14 points, and Valencia by 11 points.


There are 19 bellwether counties that have a perfect track record since 1980 of voting for the successful presidential candidate.


Donald Trump won 18 out of these 19 counties on November 3.


4. Bellwether states: In most presidential elections of the past century, there were two bellwether states - Ohio and Florida - that were almost always won by the national eventual winner. As the adage goes, “As Ohio goes, so goes the nation.”


Only twice since 1904 has the presidential winner not won Ohio. During that same time, only three presidents won the nation without winning Florida.


In the past 120 years, only one presidential candidate has ever won both Ohio and Florida and still lost the national electoral vote.


In 2020, Trump won both states by large margins. Biden failed miserably in both states yet was supposedly the winner of the presidential race.

Sorry to inform you that Republicans other than Trump did quite well. In Georgia, where I spend a good bit of time, Trump's post election antics discouraged Republicans from voting in the Senate runoff. That loss caused the GOP to lose the Senate.

Trump lost. Period. He did a great job getting Democrats to the polls.

Unless you are in the Pillow Guy camp .....then ....

 

[rocknanchor]

Trump absolutely won the election

The evidence of mail in ballot manipulation aside,

This was the only federal offense in your thinking that was committed election night? Or is that just a concise response. How about the tally of dead, non-resident, multiples and all those fake ballot findings.

What we know is repeat refusal of those thousands of signed affidavids having witnessed the corrupt closing hour acts on election night. Then there is the gross obfuscation to an obstruction to justice by refusing to hand over those dirty Dominion voting machines.

So, at what point of election night are you describing?

 

[DaisyDay]

You accused me of lying... I did no such thing..

No, you're mistaken; I did not accuse you of lying (or as good as). I largely agreed with your post, but yours was not the only post that I replied to in that answer. It was the other poster who used quote marks on a half-remembered remark as though he were actually quoting authoritatively - that is what I consider not quite honest. You found the Kitty Kelly article and correctly quoted it down to the typo ("First Amendrnent"). I even stated specifically that I appreciated you doing that.

I'm also done with this conversation, have fun making false accusations of people.

Please read more carefully - I was not making fun of you or anyone else. I have never considered you to be ridiculous.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

This was the only federal offense in your thinking that was committed election night? Or is that just a concise response. How about the tally of dead, non-resident, multiples and all those fake ballot findings.

What we know is repeat refusal of those thousands of signed affidavids having witnessed the corrupt closing hour acts on election night. Then there is the gross obfuscation to an obstruction to justice by refusing to hand over those dirty Dominion voting machines.

Otherwise, great post.

LOL

 

[rocknanchor]

LOL

 

[DaisyDay]

What lie were you accused making?

It was a misreading of this post. Note the change of people being quoted.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Yup and your response contains all the evidence you have to the contrary.

LOL

 

[cow451]

This was the only federal offense in your thinking that was committed election night? Or is that just a concise response. How about the tally of dead, non-resident, multiples and all those fake ballot findings.

What we know is repeat refusal of those thousands of signed affidavids having witnessed the corrupt closing hour acts on election night. Then there is the gross obfuscation to an obstruction to justice by refusing to hand over those dirty Dominion voting machines.

So, at what point of election night are you describing?

Barr said Biden won, Pence said Biden won. Courts jack-slapped a multitude of half-witted attempts to stop the legal and lawful transition of power.

Biden won. Period. Get over it.

 

[rocknanchor]

Tracing back to our current condition of American liberty (not to be confused with everything that serves covert and visible freedoms of lawlessness), the question remains unanswered in my opinion, has the WH occupant breached the Constitution he was entrusted to uphold? Let’s review,

Refusing to enforce federal immigration laws. “Probably the most compelling is the utter lawlessness [by] President Biden to enforce the border,” Cruz said recently. “His decision to just defy immigration laws. That’s probably the strongest grounds right now for impeachment.”

https://impeach-biden​

 

[FireDragon76]

Nicely put. My take? Moral relativism was the true winner and your country, toast.

"Moral relativism" is the term Christian fundamentalists throw around every time somebody sees the world differently than they do.

 

[rocknanchor]

"Moral relativism" is the term Christian fundamentalists throw around every time somebody sees the world differently than they do.

Back-atcha. The very way relativism treats 'In God We Trust', as somehow - universal. One of the oldest distortions around, yet, it's still there under the rug where they swept it so many years ago. Jesus, who is God shares His entity with no other!

 

[rocknanchor]

Tracing back to our current condition of American liberty (not to be confused with everything that serves covert and visible freedoms of lawlessness), the question remains unanswered in my opinion, has the WH occupant breached the Constitution he was entrusted to uphold? Let’s review,

Refusing to enforce federal immigration laws. “Probably the most compelling is the utter lawlessness [by] President Biden to enforce the border,” Cruz said recently. “His decision to just defy immigration laws. That’s probably the strongest grounds right now for impeachment.”

https://impeach-biden​

Amazing, what President Trump accomplished all the while diffusing the daily ginned up lawsuits. The continual churning out masses' vitriol, clearly seen here in absence of pro-American sentiment.

 

[cow451]

Amazing, what President Trump accomplished all the while diffusing the daily ginned up lawsuits. The continual churning out masses' vitriol, clearly seen here in absence of pro-American sentiment.

Yes, Trump nearly stole the election, were it not for "traitors" like Mike Pence, a few Republicans with backbones and Democrats. He nearly accomplished that in spite of mean old Americans that believe in the republic.

 

[rocknanchor]

Yes, Trump nearly stole the election, were it not for "traitors" like Mike Pence, a few Republicans with backbones and Democrats. He nearly accomplished that in spite of mean old Americans that believe in the republic.

How so?

If you recall back to her lead, moral relativism is exactly what attempts to frustrate patriotism today, except for the fruits and leading of the Spirit. For this all is just another avenue of our being ‘more than conquerors’ by it and quite ‘content with such things as we have’.

But for those who oppose true patriotism that are all caught up with the career gainsay artists, that’s all right that you would accuse the true conqueroring patriot of the same. Most of these patriots know how to spot the narrative when it occurs.

Others, emit a certain chill of disgust of country, products of a doublespoken and false ‘patriotism’.

. . . . . . . . . .

*Reader, don't expect any defining moments on that last line from those caught up in it!

 

[rocknanchor]

What is this armies of the living God etc. got to do with when I thought you were talking about patriotism.

", , moral relativism is exactly what attempts to frustrate patriotism today

As every Christian should know, 'Thy will, not mine'. As he grows, every spiritual soldier for the Lord becomes a pre-conditioned patriot of assorted offerings to serve or at least recognize the power over him. The one who thinks he has sufficient liberty to ignore that power is in error of that will.

“But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be, ,traitors” - (2 Timothy 3:1,2) Not having been "corrected" (v-16).

 

[FreeinChrist]

ADVISOR HAT

This thread has had a clean up of off topic or goading posts. It has also been moved to Conspiracy Theories from American Politics.

Stay on topic please.​