No Hell = no Justice

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If Hitler is "Resting In Peace" that means God is not Just.

If Hell doesn't exist then our God is not a Just God..

We might as well do whatever we want in this life, because there are no eternal consequences????

If there is no Hell then there is no true Justice. Resting In Piece is no punishment whatsoever.

Why obey God ?? If there are no eternal consequences,?

Resting in peace is a reward, not a punishment.


Hitler is Resting In Peace ???
 

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He's dead... and when the time comes.... I suspect, total annihilation...don't ever really know for sure ..... their always a possibility that he accepted Christ... seems unlikely.... but ya never know.
 
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If Hitler is "Resting In Peace" that means God is not Just.

If Hell doesn't exist then our God is not a Just God..

We might as well do whatever we want in this life, because there are no eternal consequences????

If there is no Hell then there is no true Justice. Resting In Piece is no punishment whatsoever.

Why obey God ?? If there are no eternal consequences,?

Resting in peace is a reward, not a punishment.


Hitler is Resting In Peace ???

I'm pretty sure Hitler is now or will be eventually in hell for all eternity. But of course you never know for 100% sure because anything is possible. Even if he did have a deathbed conversion, he's in purgatory which still involves suffering for atonement. There is no free get out of jail card. But most likely he's in hell or bound for hell.
 
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If Hitler is "Resting In Peace" that means God is not Just.

If Hell doesn't exist then our God is not a Just God..

We might as well do whatever we want in this life, because there are no eternal consequences????

If there is no Hell then there is no true Justice. Resting In Piece is no punishment whatsoever.

Why obey God ?? If there are no eternal consequences,?

Resting in peace is a reward, not a punishment.


Hitler is Resting In Peace ???
Jesus died for everyone, we have no way of knowing who will or will not or did or did not accept Jesus as a savior. There is no amount of sin that Jesus can not forgive for those who accept Him.
 
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If Hitler is "Resting In Peace" that means God is not Just.

If Hell doesn't exist then our God is not a Just God..

We might as well do whatever we want in this life, because there are no eternal consequences????

If there is no Hell then there is no true Justice. Resting In Piece is no punishment whatsoever.

Why obey God ?? If there are no eternal consequences,?

Resting in peace is a reward, not a punishment.


Hitler is Resting In Peace ???
These questions illustrate how some teachings are an invented doctrine over a period of time. It is because people need to feel they have a say in how people are judged, and generally cannot forgive.

However, God's kingdom is not a democracy. God judges, and whatever the judgment is, you just accept it.

Even if Hitler was forgiven.
 
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If Hitler is "Resting In Peace" that means God is not Just.

If Hell doesn't exist then our God is not a Just God..

We might as well do whatever we want in this life, because there are no eternal consequences????

If there is no Hell then there is no true Justice. Resting In Piece is no punishment whatsoever.

Why obey God ?? If there are no eternal consequences,?

Resting in peace is a reward, not a punishment.


Hitler is Resting In Peace ???
Hitler is no more. He is not strumming a harp on the clouds with angels - my opinion.
 
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If Hitler is "Resting In Peace" that means God is not Just. If Hell doesn't exist then our God is not a Just God..
No Christian denies the reality of hell. The questions some raise include the quality and duration of hell.
 
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All of the sins Hitler committed has been forgiven/taken away on the cross.

If hitler ends up in the lake of fire, it is because he never trusted in The Messiah for God's free gift of Eternal Life.
 
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If Hitler is "Resting In Peace" that means God is not Just.

If Hell doesn't exist then our God is not a Just God..

We might as well do whatever we want in this life, because there are no eternal consequences????

If there is no Hell then there is no true Justice. Resting In Piece is no punishment whatsoever.

Why obey God ?? If there are no eternal consequences,?

Resting in peace is a reward, not a punishment.


Hitler is Resting In Peace ???
First off: There is no cosmic rule book out there, “justice” (the penalty for offending the creator) is determined by God and not you. Now God has taught us a lot about sin and the penalty, but God could have started out with a lesser penalty, prior to teaching us what it is like.

What I am saying is: “God could have been just as just without Hell”, if God had set it up that way, He could have made our sins less grievous.

God promised a hell for some people, so He has to provide a hell for some people, since He does not lie. Being required by a promise is not the same as being required by justice when God is determining what justice requires.

Quit blaming God for the severity of hell, that severity is there to help me. I needed to realize how unbelievably huge of a debt sin creates so when I accept God’s forgives of this huge debt I will automatically have an unbelievable huge Love (Godly type Love) Luke 7 he who is forgiven much Loves much.
 
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Also remember, hell was created for the devil, not man. Men end up there because they rejected Jesus.

In Matthew 25:41 Jesus says, "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.'"
 
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He's dead... and when the time comes.... I suspect, total annihilation...don't ever really know for sure ..... their always a possibility that he accepted Christ... seems unlikely.... but ya never know.
If there is total annihilation, what are your thoughts on Matthew 24 where the goats (those on the left) are punished? Just curious...
 
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He's dead... and when the time comes.... I suspect, total annihilation...don't ever really know for sure ..... their always a possibility that he accepted Christ... seems unlikely.... but ya never know.
If there is total annihilation, what are your thoughts on Matthew 24 where the goats (those on the left) are punished? Just curious...
 
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There are some folks that believe that there is no literal hell and if there is God would never send anyone to hell.
They will argue that in Matt 25:46 Jesus did not say "eternal punishment" but really said "age during correction. They replace the "adjective" "aionios" with a noun "age" and a preposition "during."
EOB Matthew:25:46 When he will answer them, saying: ‘Amen, I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These [ones on the left] will go away into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] punishment, [κόλασις/kolasis] but the righteous into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] life.”​
Greek has been the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church since its inception, 2000 years ago +/-. Who better than the team of native Greek speaking scholars, the translators of the Eastern Greek Orthodox Bible [EOB], quoted below, know the correct meaning of the Greek words in the N.T.?
Link to EOB online:
The New Testament ( The Eastern-Greek Orthodox Bible) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
…..The Greek word “kolasis” occurs only twice in the N.T., 1st occurrence Matt 25:46 and the 2nd occurrence 1 John 4:18.
EOB 1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear is connected with punishment.[ κόλασις/kolasis] But the one who fears is not yet perfect in love.​
Note, the native Greek speaking Eastern Orthodox Greek scholars, translators of the EOB, translated “aionios” as “eternal,” NOT “age.”
In the EOB the Greek word “kolasis” is translated “punishment” in both Matt 25:46 and 1 John 4:18. Some folks claim “kolasis” really means “prune” or “correction.” However, according to the EOB Greek scholars it means “punishment.”
Note: in 1 John 4:18 there is no correction, the one with “kolasis” is not made perfect. Thus “kolasis” does not/cannot mean “correction.
…..It is acknowledged that modern Greek is different than koine Greek but I am confident that the Greek speaking EOB scholars are competent enough to know the correct meanings of old words which may have changed in meaning or are no longer used and translate them correctly. Just as scholars today know the meaning of archaic words which occur in the KJV and translate them correctly.
 
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If Hitler is "Resting In Peace" that means God is not Just.

If Hell doesn't exist then our God is not a Just God..

We might as well do whatever we want in this life, because there are no eternal consequences????

If there is no Hell then there is no true Justice. Resting In Piece is no punishment whatsoever.

Why obey God ?? If there are no eternal consequences,?

Resting in peace is a reward, not a punishment.


Hitler is Resting In Peace ???
I am very confused as to what you are talking about here. Can you clarify what you mean by "resting in peace"? You use this phrase but do not explain what you mean. Are you referring to annihilationism/conditionalism with that?
 
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I'd be very surprised if Adolf Hitler isn't in Hell, along with most of the other tyrants who have ever lived. There might be the occasional exception, but I think they'd be rare. I remember a pastor saying that most people die as they lived.

I've often maintained that the night my father died, he appeared in my room. We talked and argued, but at the end he gave this absolutely terrifying scream and disappeared. It was obvious something was coming for him. It scared the hell out of me, and I've never forgotten it.

I personally think he's in Hell, and he didn't do a tiny fraction of the things Hitler did or was responsible for. The worst of my father's behaviour was to be a mongrel to his own family, plus no doubt some other behaviour.

He may have killed someone in the war as a soldier, but I don't think soldiers who are being fired at by the other side and share the same risk of being killed themselves are under the same sort of judgment as someone who kills other people who are unarmed and not even resisting them.

Christ healed a centurion's servant and in no way censured the centurion because he was in the Roman Army.

I agree with the Catholic Church's teaching that the "particular" (personal) judgement takes place immediately after death (viz. my father who had died probably couple of minutes before he appeared to me), and we go immediately to Heaven (very few), Purgatory, or Hell. Those in purgatory get to heaven eventually.

If anyone deserved to go to Hell, Hitler did.

Or put this way - why shouldn't he have gone there?
 
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If Hitler is "Resting In Peace" that means God is not Just.

If Hell doesn't exist then our God is not a Just God..

We might as well do whatever we want in this life, because there are no eternal consequences????

If there is no Hell then there is no true Justice. Resting In Piece is no punishment whatsoever.

Why obey God ?? If there are no eternal consequences,?

Resting in peace is a reward, not a punishment.


Hitler is Resting In Peace ???

As a Lutheran you should know the answer to this question: What is the justice of God mentioned in Romans 1:17?

Is the justice of God the justice by which God punishes the wicked and rewards the righteous?
Or is the justice of God the justice by which God justifies sinners?

If justice is about punishment and reward, rather than grace and mercy, then there is no Gospel.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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We boldly speak of Gehenna when we often bring up the names of certain men that we judge to be the worst of sinners that ever walked the face of the Earth, but there is a solemn silence when we think about ourselves. Hitler was one of us, and we have the same potential for the same level of corruption lying dormant inside all of us. It is easy to say, if Hitler is resting in peace, God is not just; but where is the honest Christian that will say, if I were to rest in peace in my sin, God is not just? Where is the honest Christian who will always use himself/herself as the perfect example? I say, that Christian considers himself a great sinner in need of a great savior.
 
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