Actually Exodus 20:5 clarifies this by saying do not worship them so it’s talking about images of worship not general images or icons. If that’s how you want to go with it, then Moses was an idol worshipper and you should remove your profile picture along with any photo in your house.
Actually Exodus 20:5 clarifies this by saying do not worship them so it’s talking about images of worship not general images or icons. If that’s how you want to go with it, then Moses was an idol worshipper and you should remove your profile picture along with any photo in your house.
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them;
I was under the impression we were talking graven images here, not pictures.
Moses?
I am so not in favor of bashing anyone although I am not a catholic in the roman sense . It seems to me that the whole world has been caught up in idol worship of some form or fashion . I recently spoke to an immigrant from mexico to the US . He said he believed in God but LOVED the USA . Is God not supposed to have first place ?What about people who bow down to their Bibles?
What about people who bow down to their beds when kneeling by them to pray?
Out of here......I knew it would become a Catholic bashing thread
I'm not "imposing" anything on you. What I suggested is simply what logically follows from your comments.
Not really. For one thing, the Catholic Church calls it worship, too. She merely says it is a different kind of worship from the worship that is directed towards God.As for the blanket statement...
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Nobody i know of in the Catholic church worships, crucifixes, statues, saints or Mary. If anybody thinks otherwise, then it proves they don't know or understand Catholicism." .
But our opinions don’t matter. Either we know for sure or we don’t know. There is no in between.Yes, like really. Those things you mention are our opinion. It's what the bible says for us.
Bowing is only a gesture. You don't need to bow at something/someone to worship it. We are not required to bow in front of Mary or Saint/Angel statues, we can stand or sit on something during the meditation. That is what bowing is.Would bowing down to Mary be a violation of the second commandment? I've seen people talk to the gravestones of their beloved deceased ones; and salute the gravestones of fallen war heroes.
But then they don't bow down to the gravestones. So the bowing down/ kneeling down to Marian statues seems a little different.
That's probably correct, but many people do a lot more than that; and there comes a point at which any reasonable person should say, in all honesty, that what's going on is indistinguishable from worshipping God.Bowing is only a gesture. You don't need to bow at something/someone to worship it. We are not required to bow in front of Mary or Saint/Angel statues, we can stand or sit on something during the meditation. That is what bowing is.
It is more of a gesture/position that has been a cultural norm for most christians to meditate. The gestures don't define worship, it's the intent. I can salute or even plank in front of an image, and if my intention was for that to be devotion than it is more of an act of worship than any catholic "bowing".
Bowing is only a gesture. You don't need to bow at something/someone to worship it. We are not required to bow in front of Mary or Saint/Angel statues, we can stand or sit on something during the meditation. That is what bowing is.
It is more of a gesture/position that has been a cultural norm for most christians to meditate. The gestures don't define worship, it's the intent. I can salute or even plank in front of an image, and if my intention was for that to be devotion than it is more of an act of worship than any catholic "bowing".
That's probably correct, but many people do a lot more than that; and there comes a point at which any reasonable person should say, in all honesty, that what's going on is indistinguishable from worshipping God.
A graven image is an image of idol worship not comparable to a religious image used for respect or to remember the person depicted in it.I was under the impression we were talking graven images here, not pictures.
Moses?
yes we shouldn’t make a graven image to bow or worship it, a graven image is an image of worship as another god not a normal image we see in Church.Would you agree the following means we should not do one or the other, as in not worship them or bow down to them whether we worship them or not? Take note of the "or" there.
Both the Old Testament prophet who penned the commandment as well as those to whom it was addressed knew precisely what it meant: That is that they were not to worship the gods of the pagans with whom they often shared territory, nor to fashion such gods as those pagans worshiped. Religious art or artifacts glorifying the God of Israel is/are not harmful to God's people.Dear friends,
The second commandment requires some interpretation.
Ex 20:3 You shall have no other gods before Me. 4 You shall not make for yourself an idol of any kind, or an image of anything in the heavens above, the earth below, or the waters under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on their children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,…
But during the construction of the Ark of Covenant - craftsmen were required to make images of the Cherabim.
1 Kings 6:23 In the inner sanctuary he made two cherubim, each ten cubits high, out of olive wood. 24One wing of the first cherub was five cubits long, and the other wing was five cubits long as well. So the full wingspan was ten cubits.…
And here, Moses is instructed to make a graven image...
Numb 21:8 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Make a snake and mount it on a pole. When anyone who is bitten looks at it, he will live.” 9So Moses made a bronze snake and mounted it on a pole. If anyone who was bitten looked at the bronze serpent, he would recover.
So the question remains - what is the second commandment referring to?
If the issue was the worship of God alone and not just referring to making images, then does that open the commandment to idols of fleshly passion in our lives?
How about objects of worship in our churches - crosses, saints, crucifixes, Mary...
Let's try and have a civil discussion about this...
He became seen when He became flesh, so Christ can now be depicted, and He is.The pairs of cherubim I think are highly instructive. Since they were at both ends facing each other, they both led the eye toward the middle, toward the mercy seat, which symbolized the throne of God. But there was no graven image of God himself, because he is unseen.
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