No Compromise at the Border.

[cow451]

I dont want to debate whether or not only republics have good national security. I dont want to debate at all, thats why i withdrew my comment. Take it how you will though.

Your post remains up, FYI.

 

[W2L]

Your post remains up, FYI.

I dont care. Its just a post in a thread, not the end of the world

 

[evoeth]

I'll withdraw my earlier statement. Debating its futile because both sides are sharply and hopelessly divided. When i see what it does to people, it makes me sad.

You know what makes me sad? Intellectual dishonesty.

Like claiming X supports your argument, and then refusing to actually reveal X. And then you ice that cake by claiming we're the broken ones.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

We could compromise by agreeing that border security is important and taking the advice of experts on how to mitigate the issues. The wall is nothing more then a distraction.

The politically corrupt armchair experts in Washington or the experts on the ground at the border?

 

[cow451]

I dont care. Its just a post in a thread, not the end of the world

 

[GoldenBoy89]

As others have said, walls have been successful in other nations.

So has universal healthcare.

I don't know about you but, I could use a doctor more than a wall in the desert.

 

[LoAmmi]

The experts want a wall.

Which ones?

 

[W2L]

You know what makes me sad? Intellectual dishonesty.

Like claiming X supports your argument, and then refusing to actually reveal X. And then you ice that cake by claiming we're the broken ones.

My apologies. Perhaps no walls in the world have ever been beneficial for protecting boarders. .

 

[evoeth]

My apologies. Perhaps no walls in the world have ever been beneficial to protecting its boarders. .

No one is making that argument.

But hey, strawman! Add another to the intellectual dishonesty list.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Which ones?

Revisit my post.

 

[W2L]

So has universal healthcare.

I don't know about you but, I could use a doctor more than a wall in the desert.

Nothing is free. Nothing good is ever free. However, i believe the poor should have free healthcare. But if one wants good HC, they better pay for it. Facts of life.

 

[W2L]

No one is making that argument.

But hey, strawman! Add another to the intellectual dishonesty list.

Ok, let me apologize again.

 

[LoAmmi]

Revisit my post.

Ok. I've yet to see an expert on the ground say they want a wall across the entire border.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So has universal healthcare.

I don't know about you but, I could use a doctor more than a wall in the desert.

I guessing that you have healthcare and a familiar doctor, right? I have a great healthcare plan but I don't know which doctor I'm going to see at any given appointment, and if any will listen to me...so I stopped making appointments (which should free up their time so they can volunteer at the free clinic across the tracks).

 

[W2L]

There is one thing that is free and its the greatest thing of all.

 

[evoeth]

So has universal healthcare.

I don't know about you but, I could use a doctor more than a wall in the desert.

Politics is about solving collective action problems like defining our country or market failures to deliver health care.

Good prioritization demands we pay attention to healthcare first. It's not like immigration is some burning issue that is going to destroy our country. But healthcare is already failing tens of millions.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Ok. I've yet to see an expert on the ground say they want a wall across the entire border.

Much of the border is impassable without great danger; no need for a barrier. Everyone knows this who is paying attention.

 

[Belk]

The politically corrupt armchair experts in Washington or the experts on the ground at the border?

I am unaware of any "Experts on the ground". How about we go with people with actual expertise that have studied the issue in depth and have a good understanding of the pros and cons pf various approaches?

 

[FenderTL5]

My apologies. Perhaps no walls in the world have ever been beneficial for protecting boarders. .

I thought protecting boarders was the supposed problem.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Politics is about solving collective action problems like defining our country or market failures to deliver health care.

Good prioritization demands we pay attention to healthcare first. It's not like immigration is some burning issue that is going to destroy our country. But healthcare is already failing tens of millions.

If we venture into deep water in an attempt to save someone who keeps swimming away from us, we will all drown. Let them drown I say, save yourself.