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Who would wait days to pray if they were alive inside of a fish? The fish only
swallowed the body of Jonah. His soul went to the belly of hell and
prayed. God put his soul back in his body after days passed. Then Jonah
prayed a new prayer referring to how God had heard his prayer from hell.
Man cannot kill the soul because man cannot kill the spirit which only God can give and take away.Man can kill the body but not the soul.
1 Corinthians 15 is about raising bodies.
Who would wait days to pray if they were alive inside of a fish? The fish only
swallowed the body of Jonah. His soul went to the belly of hell and
prayed. God put his soul back in his body after days passed. Then Jonah
prayed a new prayer referring to how God had heard his prayer from hell.
Solomon was writing Eccl. as a warning that man
will be judged for his works done under the sun.
When he dies.....his thoughts perish. The thoughts
....plans..were ones he had as to actions on earth before
he died. Those thoughts perish. Not the ability to think
after death perishes.
The Bible doesn't seem very interested in subjective experiences of death. But you can find those in Christian literature outside the Bible, going back for centuries, and even in pagan authors such as Plato.
But the first part of the text is what I am looking at where it says the dead know not anything.neither more...a reward....the memory of them is forgotten
The still living people forget about the dead after they are gone.
Interesting you brought that up. In Greek Philosophy they believed that the soul was immortal and left at death. This was as far back as 500BC and even further back. My observation is that around this same time, based on the evidence from those who spoke in the bible, they did not share the same view as Socrates and Plato. Martha didn't believe she would go to meet Lazarus when she died in another form of existence, but this was closer to what guys like plato believed.
2 Corinthians 5:6-8 KJV Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7. (For we walk by faith, not by sight 8. We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Our body is like a tent that we temporarily use in this short life, so make a distinction between body, soul, and spirit. A Christian is absent from the body and present with the Lord when he or she physically dies. Our bodies will be raised again at the Rapture, and God will give us glorified bodies.
1 Corinthians 15:50-58 KJV 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
By the time of Jesus, some pharisees did believe in a paradise of sorts that the spirits of the righteous dead go to. This idea was borrowed from Persian religion, as the word paradise comes from the Persian word for garden. It seems Jesus affirmed it as well.
This is interesting. If this is true doesn't this bother you? I mean the idea that this idea came from Persian religion?
Look out for YouTube videos concerning people who have had Near Death experiences. The really fascinating ones are not as numerous as the rest of them, but there seem to be relatively few that are fraudulent, or perhaps, not of God. Let me know If you would like some recommendations.
The NDEers who tell their story come from all walks of life, including doctors, even a neurosurgeon. In the best of them, their body-language, often accompanied by tears, is the most impressive testimony to their veracity. Atheists attribute them to dreams, hallucinations, lack of oxygen, etc - all piffle. Decades later, they will remember every detail as if they had occurred the day before. Often their cure was miraculous, inexplicable in terms of modern medical science. With my 'banana-skin' sense of humour, as my wife called it, one of the high points for me is always when they are told, usually by Jesus, that they have to go back, as it is not yet their time ; and they either point-blank refuse at first, or protest vehemently. Jesus is very persuasive, however, and always wins.
Speaking to Martha, Jesus put it this way : “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die.'
The meaning seems to be that, in line with the experiences of NDE'ers, the body dies, but the soul, remaining very much alive, leaves it, without the person realising at first what has happened ; even sometimes looking at their body from a vantage point close to the ceiling and wondering whose body it is.
Catholics believe that most of us are unlikely to go straight to heaven, but will need to be 'cleansed as if by fire,' as Jesus spoke of in the Gospel, in a place that we call Purgatory, which extends from close to hell to the paradise promised to the Good Thief by Jesus from his cross, that very day upon his death. It will be a place where they will be filled of the love of God, but will suffer from a deep remorse for their sins, and will long to be with Him. I'm not sure where the two Judgments come in, but others will surely know. One must be the initial encounter of the chiildren of light with Jesus, when they are said to see a kind of video of their life and are able to get a better understanding of the knock-on effects of their sins causing suffering to others, but also the good acts they had done.
Not really. In the religious tradition I am part of, this is not a secret thing. Jews interacted with Persians during the exile, and may have adopted some of the terminology and motifs to explain their situation. God's providence is big enough in my mind to deal with human beings as they are.
Well I respect that opinion. But don't think there is evidence to support it though from what is stated in the bible.
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