New York Assembly passes Same-Sex Marriage

[Nathan Poe]

If it's God's will. God's will supersedes any human-made morality.

Surely then it was equally God's will that the NY State Assembly acted as it did? (He does have a hand in human governments, after all)

And when NY becomes the next state to recognize same sex marriage, that too shall be in accordance with God's will.

 

[SadieOC]

Surely then it was equally God's will that the NY State Assembly acted as it did? (He does have a hand in human governments, after all)

And when NY becomes the next state to recognize same sex marriage, that too shall be in accordance with God's will.

No, it obviously goes against the Bible, the written manifestation of God's will. This is the will of the devil.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Um... soblessed, anything in there have to do with homosexual relationships between consenting adults?

 

[Donkeytron]

No, it obviously goes against the Bible, the written manifestation of God's will. This is the will of the devil.

So the devil is in charge of NY's state legislature now? Any other suspect legislatures we should know about? TIA.

 

[SadieOC]

So the devil is in charge of NY's state legislature now? Any other suspect legislatures we should know about? TIA.

He's not "in charge" but he certainly has influence over the people who are. The devil tries to influence everyone.

 

[Nathan Poe]

No, it obviously goes against the Bible, the written manifestation of God's will. This is the will of the devil.

If God is what's in the Bible, and nothing more, I'd be more inclined to agree.

Perhaps, however, God is bigger than man's writings?

 

[Nathan Poe]

So the devil is in charge of NY's state legislature now? Any other suspect legislatures we should know about? TIA.

Funny, I don't remember seeing him on the ballot.

 

[Nathan Poe]

He's not "in charge" but he certainly has influence over the people who are.

That would be a clear majority of the citizens of NY state. Perhaps he should run for office.

 

[gnomon]

But the Taliban is Muslim. An obviously violent and incorrect religion. My government would be guided by the true Word of God.

Obviously?

I seem to recall that it is a mixture of Christianity, namely Pentecostalism, and a smattering of African traditional belief that is responsible for murdering children because they are witches.

Is it obvious that Islam is a violent and incorrect religion?

History tells us that the majority of Christians condoned or stood aside as the U.S. took it's Manifest Destiny to include murdering and lying to indigenous tribes.

Is it obvious that Islam is a violent and incorrect religion?

The KKK is a Christian organization. It is just important to recognize that Christianity is a general term for any group to claim ownership.

Is it obvious that Islam is a violent and incorrect religion?

There are an incredible number of different denominations many holding wildly different beliefs about damnation, salvation and everyday morality among Christians. Including those led by the likes of Hinn and Popoff bilking desperate people out of their money. Is that correct?

Or is it just par for the course for offhand degradation of other religious beliefs.

 

[SiderealExalt]

Hmm Sadie,etc. Are you guys forgetting something?

It makes me remember a bumper sticker. It said, "There is a name for when Christianity ruled the world....the DARK AGES!"

This isn't the Dark Ages. America is not a Christian nation. It really never was. The bible is not the law of the land. We have stuff like the Constitution. Democracy and republicanism are not Christian things. Things change. And right now you're maybe not dealing with it so well. That's understandable I guess.

I really and honestly though don't think some people get it.

The anti gay marriage people. Well this might sound too early for me to say it. But seriously...you've lost. You've been losing, you ARE losing.The quicker you realize this isn't some horrible slide into a quagmire of moral deprecation the better for all of us.

 

[Gishin]

Who says we're entitled to the pursuit of happiness? Man's law? Nothing in God's law says we have the right to be happy. Humans are here to make God happy, not themselves happy. Homosexuality does not make God happy.

And people wonder why Christianity in America is declining. You have such great PR.

 

[Gishin]

Just a note, though, slavery may not have been overthrown in the Bible, but it also does not say it is a sin to be of a certain race. Far from it. This is not true of practicing homosexuality. Also, the US is not legislating whether 2 people can participate in homosexual behavior, but this is a far cry from calling it "marriage."

The story of Phinehas and the "Curse of Ham" was used as biblical evidence to show black people were lesser human beings. Not sinful, just lesser.

 

[Gishin]

I know. I'm a vegetarian.

Do you also wear 100% cotton?

 

[Gishin]

:Yes, it was an unclean food in the Old Testament. It was not forbidden under the new covenant, but practicing homosexuality is forbidden in both the old testament and the new.

If God is perfect, than why does he change his mind like that so often? You'd think he'd get it right the first time.

 

[Gishin]

If God saw homosexuality as permissive, why was female created for male? God didn't create another man for Adam, he created his spiritual companion in woman. There is never an approved of homosexual relationship in the Bible. That's enough for me.

If God saw sin as bad, why did he allow Eve to be tempted?

 

[Gishin]

God will decide who real Christians are at Judgment.

When has there ever been a man born woman? You are born male or female. Are you talking about hermaphrodites? Just another problem in our world created by the sin of mankind.

God decides what gender you are.

But but but... if God didn't want it why would he allow it to happen? That's your logic with the whole "God made woman for man" thing, right?

 

[Gishin]

How do you propose we make law? Isn't God's law perfect? They can engage in their homosexual perversions all they want. That doesn't mean the law should approve of it!!!! I'm not advocating outlawing homosexuality (yet). But if something is an abomination in God's eyes and against God's law and man (all men, not just believers) are subject to God's law, why shouldn't God's law be man's law?

Oh yes, God's law. With the stoning of disobedient children and whatnot. So perfect, it was absolutely impossible for anyone to follow it except one guy, who was haxxxing with God Mode on.

 

[Gishin]

Why not? Why should we not "force" people? I'd rather force people to believe when they are on earth and have them feel like they had a not-so-free-and-fun physical life than let the do whatever they think is okay in life and end up being eternally tortured. Here more than anywhere else, the ends do justify the means.

To me, it is a greater sin to allow people to go to hell than to use human laws to "force" them to believe. People have freewill, but there are consequences. God makes the consequences eternal. Why should men not make the consequences physical?

Because if you tried to force me, I'd become a sort of Anti-Christian Theocracy militant working to overthrow an oppressive regime.

 

[Gishin]

And suddenly I feel like a fool for arguing with a fool....

Same, I posted too many times now to go back though!

 

[Gishin]

Curley v. NAMBLA
Curley v. NAMBLA was a lawsuit filed in the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts in 2000, by Barbara and Robert Curley against the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA).
Their 10-year-old son, Jeffrey Curley, was the victim of a 1997 murder by two men, Salvatore Sicari and Charles Jaynes. The men took Jeffrey to the Boston Public Library and accessed NAMBLA's website. At least one of the men, Jaynes, later attempted to sexually assault Curley. When the boy fought back, Jaynes gagged him with a gasoline-soaked rag and eventually killed him. Jaynes then sexually assaulted his corpse.
According to the Curley's suit, Jaynes and Sicari "stalked Jeffrey Curley... and tortured, murdered and mutilated [his] body on or about October 1, 1997. Upon information and belief immediately prior to said acts Charles Jaynes accessed NAMBLA's website at the Boston Public Library." According to police, Jaynes had eight issues of a NAMBLA publication in his home at the time of his arrest. The lawsuit further alleges that "NAMBLA serves as a conduit for an underground network of pedophiles in the United States who use their NAMBLA association and contacts therein and the Internet to obtain child inappropriate contentography and promote pedophile activity."[1]

Curley v. NAMBLA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

FBI targets pedophilia advocates
Saturday, the FBI arrested three NAMBLA members at Harbor Island as they waited for a boat that undercover agents told them would sail to Ensenada for a sex retreat over Valentine's Day with boys as young as 9.

The FBI says at least one of the men is a member of the group's national leadership, a second organized the group's national convention last year and a third said he had been a member since the 1980s.
It also says children should have the right to have sex with older men and that such relationships are "benevolent." The 26-year-old organization wants to overturn statutory rape laws and free molesters from prison, and encourages members to send Christmas cards to jailed molesters.
Critics say NAMBLA's public face hides a network of child molesters who trade seduction techniques and child inappropriate contentography and organize overseas trips for illicit sex.

"It is, in fact, a trade school for pedophiles," said Patrick Gillen, lawyer with the Thomas More Law Center, a Christian legal advocacy group that has sued the organization's leadership and made that argument in court.

Cathy McLennan, an Escondido counselor who interviews children as part of molestation investigations, said NAMBLA's argument that sexual relationships are not harmful to children parrots what many child abusers tell themselves.

"That's how they're rationalizing a despicable form of behavior in their own mind," she said.

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You've been told many times NAMBLA has nothing to do with this, and shown exactly why. Why do you insist on posting with this kind of willful ignorance?