New York Assembly passes Same-Sex Marriage

[Mercy Medical]

Loving your neighbor doesn't mean that their sin has to be tolerated. Permitting homosexuality isn't promoting equality. It's promoting a perverse sin. Homosexuality is not equal to heterosexuality.

And no one is telling you that you have to accept it or think that it is okay.

Homosexuality will ALWAYS occur whether there is gay marriage or not. LGBT people are still going to be out there, in relationships and having sex. No law is going to stop that.

African Americans were once thought to be lesser human beings then Caucasians and the Bible even accepted that fact, but yet today black people are viewed as equal (at least in the eyes of the law...not necessarily by all people) to white people.

 

[SadieOC]

And no one is telling you that you have to accept it or think that it is okay.

Homosexuality will ALWAYS occur whether there is gay marriage or not. LGBT people are still going to be out there, in relationships and having sex. No law is going to stop that.

African Americans were once thought to be lesser human beings then Caucasians and the Bible even accepted that fact, but yet today black people are viewed as equal (at least in the eyes of the law...not necessarily by all people) to white people.

There are bad things that are going to occur whether or not there are laws against is. Does that mean we should permit it? People are going to steal and kill whether there are laws against it or not. No law is going to stop that. So by your logic murder and stealing should be legal?

The problem with your logic about african americans is that the Bible never says, "Blacks will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven" the same way it says it about gays. There is a clear prohibition against homosexuality in the Bible. There is no prohibition against being black.

 

[Mercy Medical]

I agree with you mostly, except that just because God gave humans free will doesn't mean that every other human needs to accept or approve of how they act. I know homosexuality is wrong because God says it is. Why should I support a law that goes against what God says? I think we need a change in man's law to fit God's law.

And no one is forcing anybody to accept or approve of homosexuality and gay marriage. If you do not agree with it, then do not enter into a homosexual relationship and don't get married to someone of the same sex. But just because that is what YOU believe does not mean that you should force other individuals into believing and practicing the same way. You have the right to believe what you want and feel the way you want to and speak the way you want to, but you do not have the right to deny others rights based on those facts.

By changing man's law into God's law you are forcing those who do not believe in God to follow God and therefore eliminating that aspect of free will. If someone wants to follow God's law, they should do it on their own accordance, not by being forced into believing and following something they do not agree with...much like I am sure that you would not like to be forced into marrying someone of the same sex because you do not agree with it.

We are all granted free will by God which is what makes this world so amazing. There are so many diverse individuals, cultures, opinions. If we all followed the same laws and all thought the same way, we would be drones. We would get absolutely nothing out of life.

 

[Caitlin.ann]

Loving your neighbor doesn't mean that their sin has to be tolerated. Permitting homosexuality isn't promoting equality. It's promoting a perverse sin. Homosexuality is not equal to heterosexuality.

Eating shellfish was also considered sinful.

 

[kaykay9.0]

And no one is telling you that you have to accept it or think that it is okay.

Homosexuality will ALWAYS occur whether there is gay marriage or not. LGBT people are still going to be out there, in relationships and having sex. No law is going to stop that.

African Americans were once thought to be lesser human beings then Caucasians and the Bible even accepted that fact, but yet today black people are viewed as equal (at least in the eyes of the law...not necessarily by all people) to white people.

Just a note, though, slavery may not have been overthrown in the Bible, but it also does not say it is a sin to be of a certain race. Far from it. This is not true of practicing homosexuality. Also, the US is not legislating whether 2 people can participate in homosexual behavior, but this is a far cry from calling it "marriage."

 

[SadieOC]

And no one is forcing anybody to accept or approve of homosexuality and gay marriage. If you do not agree with it, then do not enter into a homosexual relationship and don't get married to someone of the same sex. But just because that is what YOU believe does not mean that you should force other individuals into believing and practicing the same way. You have the right to believe what you want and feel the way you want to and speak the way you want to, but you do not have the right to deny others rights based on those facts.

By changing man's law into God's law you are forcing those who do not believe in God to follow God and therefore eliminating that aspect of free will. If someone wants to follow God's law, they should do it on their own accordance, not by being forced into believing and following something they do not agree with...much like I am sure that you would not like to be forced into marrying someone of the same sex because you do not agree with it.

We are all granted free will by God which is what makes this world so amazing. There are so many diverse individuals, cultures, opinions. If we all followed the same laws and all thought the same way, we would be drones. We would get absolutely nothing out of life.

I'm not taking away their free will! I'm just saying they can't be married. They're free to engage in their perverse lifestyle. That is between them and God. But when they ask the government to view and sanction their relationship the same way as heterosexual relationships, that goes too far.

Just because something isn't permitted doesn't mean there isn't freewill. We don't allow children to marry. Does that mean we're taking away their freewill?

 

[SadieOC]

Eating shellfish was also considered sinful.

I know. I'm a vegetarian.

 

[Mercy Medical]

There are bad things that are going to occur whether or not there are laws against is. Does that mean we should permit it? People are going to steal and kill whether there are laws against it or not. No law is going to stop that. So by your logic murder and stealing should be legal?

The problem with your logic about african americans is that the Bible never says, "Blacks will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven" the same way it says it about gays. There is a clear prohibition against homosexuality in the Bible. There is no prohibition against being black.

Murder, theft, etc should all be laws because they have a victim in their crime. They are inflicting pain on other individuals who do not want nor deserve it. Homosexuality does not have a victim as both parties are consenting individuals to those actions. Most of our laws are made up not because the Bible says they are wrong, but because there is a victim (while I will argue that there are some that have no victim such as laws about drugs, but that is a different discussion entirely). Homosexuality =/= rape, murder, theft, etc.

While the Bible may not say that they cannot enter the kingdom of heaven, it does treat them as lesser individuals, which is not right because they are no different then us. Where does the Bible say that homosexuals cannot enter the kingdom of heaven? I encourage you to find that passage for me.

 

[kaykay9.0]

Eating shellfish was also considered sinful.

:Yes, it was an unclean food in the Old Testament. It was not forbidden under the new covenant, but practicing homosexuality is forbidden in both the old testament and the new.

 

[Mercy Medical]

I'm not taking away their free will! I'm just saying they can't be married. They're free to engage in their perverse lifestyle. That is between them and God. But when they ask the government to view and sanction their relationship the same way as heterosexual relationships, that goes too far.

Just because something isn't permitted doesn't mean there isn't freewill. We don't allow children to marry. Does that mean we're taking away their freewill?

Yes, but if laws would be created making gay marriage illegal everywhere in this country, those laws would be based on religious beliefs as that is the only strong basis in the opposition to homosexuality (other then the sheer ignorance of some people and people who just think it's weird and gross). That would be dictating this country by God's law and would therefore be removing the act of free will from individuals. There is a clear (or at least there should be and could also be argued) separation of church and state in this country. This country was founded on that fact. By prohibiting gay marriage, that eliminates that separation.

And we don't allow children to marry because we are under the impression that children have not developed mentally enough to truly grasp that concept. Once again, homosexuality is between two consenting adults. Children getting married, is not.

 

[kaykay9.0]

Murder, theft, etc should all be laws because they have a victim in their crime. They are inflicting pain on other individuals who do not want nor deserve it. Homosexuality does not have a victim as both parties are consenting individuals to those actions. Most of our laws are made up not because the Bible says they are wrong, but because there is a victim (while I will argue that there are some that have no victim such as laws about drugs, but that is a different discussion entirely). Homosexuality =/= rape, murder, theft, etc.

While the Bible may not say that they cannot enter the kingdom of heaven, it does treat them as lesser individuals, which is not right because they are no different then us. Where does the Bible say that homosexuals cannot enter the kingdom of heaven? I encourage you to find that passage for me.

I believe the passage is in 1 Corinthians 6:9 which would seem to indicate that practicing homosexuals (along with other certain lifestyles/practices) will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. And I do understand what you mean about laws that victimize people, but again I would remind you that allowing homosexuality to be legal to practice is one thing. To call it "marriage" is another IMO.

 

[Mercy Medical]

:Yes, it was an unclean food in the Old Testament. It was not forbidden under the new covenant, but practicing homosexuality is forbidden in both the old testament and the new.

What is the context of the passages in the NT that condemn homosexuality? In what types of situations and scenarios are those arguments against homosexuality presented?

 

[Mercy Medical]

I believe the passage is in 1 Corinthians 6 which would seem to indicate that practicing homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. And I do understand what you mean about laws that victimize people, but again I would remind you that allowing homosexuality to be legal to practice is one thing. To call it "marriage" is another IMO.

And that is fine and you are completely entitled to have that opinion and to state that opinion, but just because you feel that way does not mean our government should prohibit same-sex individuals from getting married. Read my previous posts regarding pursuit of happiness and separation of church and state.

 

[gnomon]

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[flicka]

I believe the passage is in 1 Corinthians 6. And I understand what you mean about laws that victimize people, but again I would remind you that allowing homosexuality to be legal to practice is one thing. To call it "marriage" is another IMO.

You seem to be hung up on the word "marriage". God didn't define that word by writing a dictionary definition, we give it meaning. Us. People. Marriage is just a union that the government recognizes and catagorizes and treats differently. If it makes you feel better you can think of it like this: EVERYONE can get "married", but only you special christian folk can be "holy married" or whatever it is you think is so magical about it.

 

[Mercy Medical]

I believe the passage is in 1 Corinthians 6:9 which would seem to indicate that practicing homosexuals (along with other certain lifestyles/practices) will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. And I do understand what you mean about laws that victimize people, but again I would remind you that allowing homosexuality to be legal to practice is one thing. To call it "marriage" is another IMO.

What is the context of that passage?

 

[Caitlin.ann]

:Yes, it was an unclean food in the Old Testament. It was not forbidden under the new covenant, but practicing homosexuality is forbidden in both the old testament and the new.

In which translated version out of the many. Some say it is some say it isn't.

 

[Mercy Medical]

In which translated version out of the many. Some say it is some say it isn't.

And here is where we essentially have the entire issue with the view of homosexuality in the Bible.

It's been translated and interpreted in many different ways and it completely depends on what version of the Bible you read as to what you will get out of said passages.

 

[gnomon]

No! Obviously God doesn't want them to be "married." When is America going to realize we'll destroy ourselves until we really follow God's law?

What is God's law? No where in the Bible have I read that sectarian nations must not hand out paper certificates to homosexual couples who are already living together and engaging in every activity heterosexual couples do excepting just a very few specific sex acts.

Is the law laid out in 2 Revelations.

I distinctly remember in church and bible study that Jesus preached about the individual. Not about what states should or should not condone.

 

[SadieOC]

Murder, theft, etc should all be laws because they have a victim in their crime. They are inflicting pain on other individuals who do not want nor deserve it. Homosexuality does not have a victim as both parties are consenting individuals to those actions. Most of our laws are made up not because the Bible says they are wrong, but because there is a victim (while I will argue that there are some that have no victim such as laws about drugs, but that is a different discussion entirely). Homosexuality =/= rape, murder, theft, etc.

While the Bible may not say that they cannot enter the kingdom of heaven, it does treat them as lesser individuals, which is not right because they are no different then us. Where does the Bible say that homosexuals cannot enter the kingdom of heaven? I encourage you to find that passage for me.

There's no victim in homosexuality!? I'd say society suffers pretty well. Ultimately God is the victim.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.