And yet, it doesn't halt the accusations, but instead further them based on "history".
my post was in response to your post in the PRESENT, not in the past. My concerns have been based on history, but those were not accusations.
I'll be the first to admit CF has a colorful history...but never with 4 advisors who would immediate step down and leave CF to its own devices if some of those practices came to pass again. Not on our watch...not gonna happen.
and that was not the topic of my post
So the statement of faith returned to the Nicene Creed...with asterisks to include all denominations not just the liturgical ones...
So what? The site rules aren't changing, the CO forums remain CO, the open forums remain open...
and yet I have expressed my concerns and told you why--it's not an accusation against you. Until you posted here, I didn't know you WERE an advisor. I express my valid concerns, not an accusation, not an attack, not even snarky, but valid concerns. YOUR failure to recognize it as legit simply says to those who raise the concerns, "we don't care--get over it." Not the same way tonks is presenting it--so already, there is a discrepancy--yet another reason for valid concern.
I fail to see what's even here to be worried about!
perhaps taking a moment to earnest ask, listen and care about the concerns lifted up instead of rejecting them as attacks or conspiracy might help you understand--not that you should agree, but if you tried, understanding might come.
Let alone make all of these accusations and assumptions!
neither have been made. Accusations? Against whom? by whom? What Accusation? Assumptions? No, comments, fears, uneasiness, questions.
Step backwards? Step back to icon control?
yes, that IS a concern
The only thing I remember of your staff record on CF was 2nd...maybe even 4th hand...so I wouldn't trust that perspective anyhow...I form my own opinions. I'm not a parrot to continue another's.
and nor am I. So, since I've not judged you to be a part of some conspiracy, why judge "those who have been gone a while" as suddenly coming back to cause trouble, stirring the "complaint pot?" Why not actually listen to those members who have conerns? Doen't mean you have to agree or change anything. Better yet, since Tonks seems to be doing good at that, why not let him handle it?
I don't have a problem with people expressing concerns...but doing it in a catty, snarky manner crosses the line from "expressing concern" into the realm of "y'all are idiots".
p-k-b
are you not the one who just said this:
I find it amazing that members who haven't been here in a long time, who haven't been participating in the forums, who haven't had interaction anywhere in any manner on CF in quite a while...are somehow "divining" the intent and result of actions taken by the board administration.
Also ironic, that these long time non participating members only show up to stir a complaint pot...when they have already shown they have no intention of participating in ways to help CF.
catty, snarky, NO concern, and "ya'll are not welcome and are obviously one here to be trouble makers and stir the 'complaint pot'"--all for expressing concern, asking questions, and expressing an opinion. Oddly enough, most of us have said we AGREE with tonks, but still have concerns--not all, but some.
the post wasn't directed toward you alone...and I'm sorry you took it that way...
please don't put words in my mouth. I never said it, in fact said precisely the opposite
but the fact remains that there are people in this thread who haven't particpated in a constructive manner on CF in a while now...and they've returned to express concerns over changes
yes, and the ASSUMPTION that this means they are up to no good is simply that--an assumption and it shows disdain for those you "lead" in your role as advisor. Simply having an attitude of "let them eat cake" has never gone over well in World History.
that in reality have no effect on any poster...
but already Tonks has said that there WOULD be an effect. He said that it would affect where posts could be moved and how--he said things could be restricted to the "non-orthodox" area. And I don't even disagree with that per se--not the point--but HE said there would be changes--not much, but changes. The concern is what this COULD lead to potentially in the future. and he said this was a "soft" changeover--this is used in business to suggest that the results of the changes will happen slowly over time, which again suggests MORE changes coming--we're not doing anything but responding with questions, concerns, and opinions. And AGAIN, I HAVE earned the right, paid my dues, and given of my own blood, sweat, and tears, time, and money to this site--I should be allowed to do raise my concerns, ask my questions, and state my opinions without being labled as a conspirator.
How else would you construe the snark from those that have been absent...
obviously differently from you--as one of THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ABSENT, I see it far differently. It would be nice if you would ask rather than assume. You might try listening to people--wouldn't hurt, could help--and listening to others does not mean you are going to change your mind, but you could show some genuine interest in their concerns rathter than "snarkily" dismissing them out of hand as conspirators.