New--SDA General Conference Statement on EGW writings

[tall73]

The GC claim is Ellen has the authority. so you are at odds with with your Church.

I think he is just saying that they consider her to be inspired, so it is God's authority through her writings.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I think he is just saying that they consider her to be inspired, so it is God's authority through her writings.

that is not what they say, but that is wrong too.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

that is not what they say, but that is wrong too.

Depends if you believe the scriptures teach that prophets are given God's inspired Words or not I guess and all the other scriptures from *Romans 12:6, 1 Corinthians 12:28, 29; 13:1-3, 8; 14:6, and in Ephesians 4:11. *see Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 compare Revelation 19:10 which is one of the signs of Gods' last day Church. For me personally I believe the scriptures.

 

[Leaf473]

Depends if you believe the scriptures teach that prophets are given God's inspired Words or not I guess and all the other scriptures from *Romans 12:6, 1 Corinthians 12:28, 29; 13:1-3, 8; 14:6, and in Ephesians 4:11. *see Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 compare Revelation 19:10 which is one of the signs of Gods' last day Church. For me personally I believe the scriptures.

Do you believe that a person who has the gift of prophecy spoken of in 1 Corinthians 12 and 14 is a prophet?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Do you believe that a person who has the gift of prophecy spoken of in 1 Corinthians 12 and 14 is a prophet?

I am not sure if I understand your question. How can you be a prophet if you do not have the gift of prophecy? That is a contradiction isn't it?

Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew & Thayer Greek Definitions - G4396
προφήτης; prophētēs Thayer Definition:
1) in Greek writings, an interpreter of oracles or of other hidden things
2) one who, moved by the Spirit of God and hence his organ or spokesman, solemnly declares to men what he has received by inspiration, especially concerning future events, and in particular such as relate to the cause and kingdom of God and to human salvation

Or did I misread your question?

 

[Leaf473]

I am nos sure if I understand your question. How can you be a prophet if you do not have the gift of prophecy? That is a contradiction isn't it?

Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew & Thayer Greek Definitions - G4396
προφήτης; prophētēs Thayer Definition:
1) in Greek writings, an interpreter of oracles or of other hidden things
2) one who, moved by the Spirit of God and hence his organ or spokesman, solemnly declares to men what he has received by inspiration, especially concerning future events, and in particular such as relate to the cause and kingdom of God and to human salvation

Or did I misread your question?

Well, I'll try putting the question a different way.

The gift of prophecy is spoken of in 1 Corinthians 12. Paul also says that we should all seek to prophesy, and we may all prophesy one by one.

But then in Ephesians, I think, Paul says that he gave "some to be prophets".

So is everyone who uses the gift of prophecy in a church service also a prophet? Or is there a difference between the gift of prophecy and the role or office of prophet?

Then relating it to the thread, what was White doing? Was she someone who sought and received the gift of prophecy? Or had God given her the role of prophet? Or is there a difference?

 

[Freth]

Well, I'll try putting the question a different way.

The gift of prophecy is spoken of in 1 Corinthians 12. Paul also says that we should all seek to prophesy, and we may all prophesy one by one.

But then in Ephesians, I think, Paul says that he gave "some to be prophets".

So is everyone who uses the gift of prophecy in a church service also a prophet? Or is there a difference between the gift of prophecy and the role or office of prophet?

Then relating it to the thread, what was White doing? Was she someone who sought and received the gift of prophecy? Or had God given her the role of prophet? Or is there a difference?

Life Sketches Manuscript describes the events leading up to her first vision (found in Chapter 8), from her birth to her conversion to Christianity. I recommend reading it for yourself, because it'll give you an understanding of who she was, and the circumstances surrounding her first vision, which led to her life-long work. I don't think you can read it and come away with the idea that she was seeking any gift of prophecy.

 

[Leaf473]

Life Sketches Manuscript describes the events leading up to her first vision (found in Chapter 8), from her birth to her conversion to Christianity. I recommend reading it for yourself, because it'll give you an understanding of who she was, and the circumstances surrounding her first vision, which led to her life-long work. I don't think you can read it and come away with the idea that she was seeking any gift of prophecy.

Thanks for the info. Do you think that she received the gift of prophecy? Or was she placed by God in the role of prophet? Or are they the same thing?

If someone has a gift of prophecy, and they write down what they say while prophesying, is that writing then inspired by God? Is it different from the scriptures being inspired by God?

 

[Freth]

Thanks for the info. Do you think that she received the gift of prophecy? Or was she placed by God in the role of prophet? Or are they the same thing?

If someone has a gift of prophecy, and they write down what they say while prophesying, is that writing then inspired by God? Is it different from the scriptures being inspired by God?

I agree with SDA Fundamental Belief #18.

The Scriptures testify that one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and we believe it was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White. Her writings speak with prophetic authority and provide comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to the church. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Numbers 12:6; 2 Chronicles 20:20; Amos 3:7; Joel 2:28-29; Acts of the Apostles 2:14-21; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; Hebrews 1:1-3; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 19:10; Revelation 22:8-9.)​

 

[Leaf473]

I agree with SDA Fundamental Belief #18.

The Scriptures testify that one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and we believe it was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White. Her writings speak with prophetic authority and provide comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to the church. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Numbers 12:6; 2 Chronicles 20:20; Amos 3:7; Joel 2:28-29; Acts of the Apostles 2:14-21; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; Hebrews 1:1-3; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 19:10; Revelation 22:8-9.)​

Cool! I sense from your answer that you don't really want to explore the subject. If that's not true, please let me know.

Peace be with you!

 

[tall73]

Thanks for the info. Do you think that she received the gift of prophecy? Or was she placed by God in the role of prophet? Or are they the same thing?

If someone has a gift of prophecy, and they write down what they say while prophesying, is that writing then inspired by God? Is it different from the scriptures being inspired by God?

This comment by her might help:


Some have stumbled over the fact that I said I did not claim to be a prophet and they have asked, Why is this?

I have had no claims to make, only that I am instructed that I am the Lord's messenger; that he called me in my youth to be his messenger, to receive his word, and to give a clear and decided message in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Early in my youth I was asked several times, Are you a prophet? I have ever responded, I am the Lord's messenger. I know that many have called me a prophet, but I have made no claim to this title. My Saviour declared me to be his messenger. "Your work," he instructed me, "is to bear my word. Strange things will arise, and in your youth I set you apart to bear the message to the erring ones, to carry the word before unbelievers, and with pen and voice to reprove from the Word actions that are not right. Exhort from the Word. I will make my Word open to you. It shall not be as a strange language. In the true eloquence of simplicity, with voice and pen, the messages that I give shall be heard from one who has never learned in the schools. My Spirit and my power shall be with you.

"Be not afraid of man, for my shield shall protect you. It is not you that speaketh: it is the Lord that giveth the messages of warning and reproof. Never deviate from the truth under any circumstances. Give the light I shall give you. The messages for these last days shall be written in books, and shall stand immortalized, to testify against those who have once rejoiced in the light, but who have been led to give it up because of the seductive influences of evil."

Why have I not claimed to be a prophet?--Because in these days many who boldly claim that they are prophets are a reproach to the cause of Christ; and because my work includes much more than the word "prophet" signifies. {RH, July 26, 1906}

 

[Adventtruth]

EGW does not make commentary on every bible passage and has never made any claims to being an inspired bible commentary. That again is misinformation. My faith is in Gods' Word which is where she points everyone who reads her writings. My faith is in God who promises to be my guide and teacher which is God's promise to all those who have ears to hear His voice and eyes to see *John 16:13; John 7:17; John 14:26; 1 John 2:27. This is where we should be pointing everyone don't you think?

You completely dodge his questions.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You completely dodge his questions.

Not really I corrected the what was implied in the question and told the truth by sharing scripture or are you another one that thinks there is no such thing as prophets in God's new testament Church (see post # 83 linked)?

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Depends if you believe the scriptures teach that prophets are given God's inspired Words or not I guess and all the other scriptures from *Romans 12:6, 1 Corinthians 12:28, 29; 13:1-3, 8; 14:6, and in Ephesians 4:11. *see Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 compare Revelation 19:10 which is one of the signs of Gods' last day Church. For me personally I believe the scriptures.

I believe the scripture is inspired, but your conclusion, interpretation and application are not inspired.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

You completely dodge his questions.

yes he did.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Depends if you believe the scriptures teach that prophets are given God's inspired Words or not I guess and all the other scriptures from *Romans 12:6, 1 Corinthians 12:28, 29; 13:1-3, 8; 14:6, and in Ephesians 4:11. *see Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 compare Revelation 19:10 which is one of the signs of Gods' last day Church. For me personally I believe the scriptures.

Your response here...

I believe the scripture is inspired, but your conclusion, interpretation and application are not inspired.

If you believe that the scriptures are inspired you would believe what was shared with you earlier as the scriptures shared with you earlier teach that prophecy is a spiritual gift of Gods' last day Church. I do not believe your conclusions, interpretation and application are inspired either but of course you are free to offer your opinions even if they are unsupported by scripture.

Take Care.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Your response here...

If you believe that the scriptures are inspired you would believe what was shared with you earlier as the scriptures teach that prophecy is a spiritual gift of Gods' last day Church. I do not believe your conclusions, interpretation and application are inspired either but of course you are free to offer your opinion even if it is unsupported by scripture.

Take Care.

I see your circular reasoning and call you on it. it's true because you believe it and you believe it because it is true. No objective standard to measure against. When tested against the scripture EGW fails the test.
1. she made predictions that did not come true. - Said people would be alive to see Jesus return. All are dead.
2. She claimed God showed her in vision. that a point of doctrine was true, then she changed her mind 30 years later.
3. she advised her husband against his views on Daniel 11:40-45 which were accurate in favor of Uriah Smith view which is in error. In order to win his favor 7 support politically. so he would advocate for them, because they were on the outs with the denomination. sent the church in the wrong direction for over a 120 years.

That is just a few of her errors.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I see your circular reasoning and call you on it. it's true because you believe it and you believe it because it is true. No objective standard to measure against. When tested against the scripture EGW fails the test.
1. she made predictions that did not come true. - Said people would be alive to see Jesus return. All are dead.
2. She claimed God showed her in vision. that a point of doctrine was true, then she changed her mind 30 years later.
3. she advised her husband against his views on Daniel 11:40-45 which were accurate in favor of Uriah Smith view which is in error. In order to win his favor 7 support politically. so he would advocate for them, because they were on the outs with the denomination.

There was no circular reasoning only reasonable reasoning supported by the scriptures shared with you. All you have provide in response is you quoting you in disagreement with the scriptures shared with you without showing why you are in disagreement so we will of course agree to disagree. Of course as posted earlier, it all depends on if you believe the scriptures teach that prophets are to give God's inspired Words or not and that God has given us prophets for His last day Church as shown in *Romans 12:6, 1 Corinthians 12:28, 29; 13:1-3, 8; 14:6, and in Ephesians 4:11. *see Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 compare Revelation 19:10 which is one of the signs of Gods' last day Church. For me personally I believe the scriptures.

1. she made predictions that did not come true. - Said people would be alive to see Jesus return. All are dead.

Conditional prediction just like those in the bible

2. She claimed God showed her in vision. that a point of doctrine was true, then she changed her mind 30 years later.

Where? Let's examine the contexts

3. she advised her husband against his views on Daniel 11:40-45 which were accurate in favor of Uriah Smith view which is in error. In order to win his favor 7 support politically. so he would advocate for them, because they were on the outs with the denomination.

Where? Let's examine the contexts

Take Care.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

There was no circular reasoning only reasonable reasoning supported by the scriptures shared with you. All you have provide in response is you quoting you in disagreement with the scriptures shared with you without showing why you are in disagreement so we will of course agree to disagree. Of course as posted earlier, it all depends on if you believe the scriptures teach that prophets are given God's inspired Words or not I guess and all the other scriptures from *Romans 12:6, 1 Corinthians 12:28, 29; 13:1-3, 8; 14:6, and in Ephesians 4:11. *see Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 compare Revelation 19:10 which is one of the signs of Gods' last day Church. For me personally I believe the scriptures.

Take Care.

try reading the whole post.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

try reading my next post.

Yes I did, thank you. Try reading the one you are quoting from what do you think it is saying? Do you agree or disagree? I disagreed with your post.