New GOP efforts to make it harder to vote

[Aldebaran]

That's the narrative, but their actions show a different motive. For example, in my state GOP legislators didn't look for forms of voter ID which would best reduce fraud, but instead specifically tried to require those that their research showed was most difficult for minority voters to obtain.

Such as vaccine cards, which a large number of minorities don't want to get a vaccine for?
It's laughable that you guys think paying a few bucks for a photo ID card at a DMV is so difficult for minorities, but it's somehow better to make them get something injected into their arm for a little card that isn't even an established form of ID since it doesn't require any proof of who the person is to get one.

 

[Aldebaran]

Banking and renting are not constitutional rights. Voting is, and should not be restricted.

Would you support people buying a gun without an ID? The right to keep and bear arms in a constitutional right.

 

[KCfromNC]

We've had sources for photo IDs far longer, and photo ID's are greatly more accepted as a form of ID than a vaccine card.

That's not an argument against using them to secure our elections. Does voter fraud not matter anymore?

 

[KCfromNC]

It's laughable that you guys think paying a few bucks for a photo ID card at a DMV is so difficult for minorities

It seems the GOP legislators in my state who did research on which forms of ID were hardest for minorities to get weren't laughing - they seriously used the results of their research to make sure those were the forms of ID required by voters. The courts saw the obvious intent of their plan and shut it down. But pretending that it didn't happen doesn't change the reality of the GOP's goals there.

but it's somehow better to make them get something injected into their arm for a little card that isn't even an established form of ID since it doesn't require any proof of who the person is to get one.

At least we've established that there are good reasons for opposing voter ID laws which place an additional burden on voters compared to the status quo.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Would you support people buying a gun without an ID? The right to keep and bear arms in a constitutional right.

Owning a gun is a constitutional right... but at least your analogy shows that you consider voting to be equally dangerous.

 

[TLK Valentine]

We've had sources for photo IDs far longer, and photo ID's are greatly more accepted as a form of ID than a vaccine card.

So let's put a photo on the vaccine card -- win-win!

 

[Aldebaran]

That's not an argument against using them to secure our elections. Does voter fraud not matter anymore?

Since all your posts are to argue against any need for security, I tailored my argument toward something you seemed to care about. Do you suddenly care about voted fraud now? If so, we'll go back to talking about that. Whichever position you want the goalposts....

 

[Aldebaran]

It seems the GOP legislators in my state who did research on which forms of ID were hardest for minorities to get weren't laughing - they seriously used the results of their research to make sure those were the forms of ID required by voters. The courts saw the obvious intent of their plan and shut it down. But pretending that it didn't happen doesn't change the reality of the GOP's goals there.

To quote biden, "Poor people are just as intelligent as white people". Therefore, they are just as capable of getting a proper ID.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Hundreds of mail-in ballot applications are being rejected under Texas’ new voting rules
state lawmakers were warned about potential issues that could arise from the new ID matching requirements, in part because the state does not have both a driver’s license and Social Security number for all of the roughly 17 million Texans on the voter rolls. Voters are not required to provide both numbers when they register to vote.

Situation hasn't improved.

Vote-by-mail rejections are testing integrity of Texas Republicans’ voting law
With less than a month left to vote by mail in the March primary election, hundreds of applications for mail-in ballots are being rejected as both Texas voters and local election officials decipher new ID requirements enacted by Republican lawmakers.

The secretary of state’s office has been working to backfill its records to include both driver’s license numbers and Social Security numbers for most voters, but various Texas counties — including some of the state’s largest — did not know they were supposed to check the state's database along with their own when trying to validate an application.

County officials said they were also hamstrung in how much education they could provide voters about the new requirements. In SB 1, Republican lawmakers made it a state jail felony for an election official to “solicit the submission” of an application to vote by mail if the voter did not request it — a broad prohibition election officials said has made them fearful that once unremarkable voter outreach efforts could now be construed as criminal.

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When she couldn’t get new applications from the vendor in time, [election administrator in rural Tom Green County] Hudson made Xerox copies of a print out on regular paper and mailed them to voters with a postage-paid, self-addressed envelope to place them in. When it became clear she wouldn’t receive the revised ballot envelopes with enough time to get them to voters, she created a separate document for voters to record their ID numbers that she’s sending out with old envelopes.

Hudson said the implementation of SB 1 has left her “between a rock and a hard place.” Her proposed resolution means she can’t use the state’s prescribed forms, but she knows the voters in her county who rely on mail-in ballots, including many who are homebound, won’t be able to participate in the election otherwise.

Sounds like a lot of illegal mail-in ballots will be coming from Tom Green County, which went 71.6% for Trump in 2020.

In a statement this week, the governor’s office put the blame for issues with the new rules on county officials “erroneously interpreting the law” instead of asking the state for assistance.

 

[wing2000]

From the Arizona State legislature this week -- "we need to get back to 1958-style voting"

"Newly introduced bills include House Bill 2596, which would let Legislature reject the results of a state election and order a new one, along with a multitude of other fundamental changes to election law.

It incorporates several features demanded by election conspiracy theorists, like limiting all voting to Election Day, requiring all voting be in-person and mandating that officials count all the ballots by hand within 24 hours. It also states that the Legislature "shall call itself into session" to review the ballot-counting process "and on review shall accept or reject the election results."

If lawmakers reject the results, any voter could sue in county Superior Court to request a new election. It was introduced by Rep. John Fillmore, R-Apache Junction and 15 other co-sponsors in the House and Senate.

“We need to get back to 1958-style voting," Fillmore said in a committee hearing on Wednesday.

The federal Civil Rights Act passed only one year prior to 1958, and Arizona — with a population of 1.2 million at the time — still had strict literacy tests for voter registration that had enormous impacts on Black, Latino and Indigenous voters.

The Arizona Republic

 

[TLK Valentine]

From the Arizona State legislature this week -- "we need to get back to 1958-style voting"

"Newly introduced bills include House Bill 2596, which would let Legislature reject the results of a state election and order a new one, along with a multitude of other fundamental changes to election law.

It incorporates several features demanded by election conspiracy theorists, like limiting all voting to Election Day, requiring all voting be in-person and mandating that officials count all the ballots by hand within 24 hours. It also states that the Legislature "shall call itself into session" to review the ballot-counting process "and on review shall accept or reject the election results."

If lawmakers reject the results, any voter could sue in county Superior Court to request a new election. It was introduced by Rep. John Fillmore, R-Apache Junction and 15 other co-sponsors in the House and Senate.

“We need to get back to 1958-style voting," Fillmore said in a committee hearing on Wednesday.

The federal Civil Rights Act passed only one year prior to 1958, and Arizona — with a population of 1.2 million at the time — still had strict literacy tests for voter registration that had enormous impacts on Black, Latino and Indigenous voters.

The Arizona Republic

So nice when the GOP says the silent part out loud...

 

[KCfromNC]

Since all your posts are to argue against any need for security, I tailored my argument toward something you seemed to care about. Do you suddenly care about voted fraud now?

Now? No. All along. But only voter fraud that actually exists. Not made up fraud used to try and sell GOP voter suppression to the gullible.

 

[KCfromNC]

To quote biden, "Poor people are just as intelligent as white people". Therefore, they are just as capable of getting a proper ID.

At least we've abandoned the previously-posted fiction that the GOP voter ID law wasn't judged to have a clear discriminatory intent.

 

[Aldebaran]

Now? No. All along. But only voter fraud that actually exists. Not made up fraud used to try and sell GOP voter suppression to the gullible.

Now you contradict yourself.

 

[Aldebaran]

At least we've abandoned the previously-posted fiction that the GOP voter ID law wasn't judged to have a clear discriminatory intent.

I'm pleased to have shown you the truth in a way you'd accept.

 

[KCfromNC]

Now you contradict yourself.

I notice there's zero evidence posted for this opinion.

 

[KCfromNC]

I'm pleased to have shown you the truth in a way you'd accept.

I have no problem with posts being pleased about things which never happened. Happiness is so hard to find, it doesn't need to be based in reality to be a good thing.

 

[Aldebaran]

I notice there's zero evidence posted for this opinion.

Your own post is the evidence.

 

[Aldebaran]

I have no problem with posts being pleased about things which never happened. Happiness is so hard to find, it doesn't need to be based in reality to be a good thing.

Are you implying that you didn't accept the truth?

 

[KCfromNC]

Are you implying that you didn't accept the truth?

Like I said, posts which just make stuff up out of thin air don't bother me. This one included.