New GOP efforts to make it harder to vote

[Saucy]

And who has done more?

Jan. 6 panel is investigating a Trump administration plan to seize voting machines

It's quite funny how the Democrats are always the heroes in their own mind. They do it, too, but they do it for the good of Democracy. And when the Republicans do it, it's an evil attack on Democracy.

When Democrats change election laws, it's for the good of Democracy.
When Democrats try to redistrict to favor themselves, it's for the good of Democracy.
When Democrats riot and destroy cities, it's for the good of Democracy.
When Democrats challenge the results of a lawful election they lost, it's for the good of Democracy.
When Democrats claim fraud and want recounts, it's for the good of Democracy.

If Republicans do any of these things, they're the worst scum on the planet!

And this is where the hypocrisy lies.

 

[Saucy]

And who has done more?

Jan. 6 panel is investigating a Trump administration plan to seize voting machines

I never saw Stacy Abrams storm the Capitol, or any building, or break any law saying she was cheated.

I draw the line at violence, and the republicans own that because of Jan 6th

My bickering only has to do with how many people need to go to jail for Jan 6th. I say all of them, republicans say none of them.

I would agree with you that they all need to go to jail, but would you also say that for every rioter who broke a window, set a car on fire, helped destroy whole city blocks, or even the armed mob who captured an entire city block and renamed it as a different country where several were killed?

You're not going to find me agreeing with the Jan. 6 riot, but I believe what the left has done over the past four years was MUCH worse than that one event. But again, those "peaceful" protests, when done by the left, are good for Democracy.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It's quite funny how the Democrats are always the heroes in their own mind. They do it, too, but they do it for the good of Democracy. And when the Republicans do it, it's an evil attack on Democracy.

When Democrats change election laws, it's for the good of Democracy.
When Democrats try to redistrict to favor themselves, it's for the good of Democracy.
When Democrats riot and destroy cities, it's for the good of Democracy.
When Democrats challenge the results of a lawful election they lost, it's for the good of Democracy.
When Democrats claim fraud and want recounts, it's for the good of Democracy.

If Republicans do any of these things, they're the worst scum on the planet!

And this is where the hypocrisy lies.

Remind me about when Democrats considered seizing voting machines because they didn't like the election results?

 

[Mayzoo]

And If you can't afford a certified copy of your birth certificate and you don't have a car to drive to the polling place and you can't stand in line for 6 hours, it's your own fault!

According to my SIL, certified birth certificates are not always accepted either. She had to get a very specific kind of (AKA new) certified birth certificate as her original, certified birth certificate is no longer considered valid. BTW, she was denied a license in the same state that her original, certified birth certificate is from until she applied for and got a newer certified birth certificate.

I suspect that was to do with the federal ID aspect this time as her old ID was not a "federal" one.

 

[JustOneWay]

I would agree with you that they all need to go to jail, but would you also say that for every rioter who broke a window, set a car on fire, helped destroy whole city blocks, or even the armed mob who captured an entire city block and renamed it as a different country where several were killed?

You're not going to find me agreeing with the Jan. 6 riot, but I believe what the left has done over the past four years was MUCH worse than that one event. But again, those "peaceful" protests, when done by the left, are good for Democracy.

I am on record here as stating I do not condone violence and crime is crime, all should be punished. Having said that, none of the violence you described was orchestrated by state politicians, whereas Jan 6th was orchestrated by a slimy classless man who refused to accept a loss, and in doing so is destroying the government. Jan 6th was much worse than race riots on this nation. It isn't over.

 

[Aldebaran]

Even better, vaccination cards are always free.



Agree - there's no reason one wouldn't want to get a required-to-vote freely available vaccination card.



You're making my points about the benefits of using vaccination cards as voter ID for me.

Does a vax card contain a photo of the owner? No.

 

[Aldebaran]

I never saw Stacy Abrams storm the Capitol, or any building, or break any law saying she was cheated.

I draw the line at violence, and the republicans own that because of Jan 6th

My bickering only has to do with how many people need to go to jail for Jan 6th. I say all of them, republicans say none of them.

Donald Trump didn't storm the capitol either.

 

[Aldebaran]

I am on record here as stating I do not condone violence and crime is crime, all should be punished. Having said that, none of the violence you described was orchestrated by state politicians, whereas Jan 6th was orchestrated by a slimy classless man who refused to accept a loss, and in doing so is destroying the government. Jan 6th was much worse than race riots on this nation. It isn't over.

That basically sums up the talking points of the democrats in Congress.
Now, would you also care to elaborate on why it was ok for rioters to destroy entire businesses and neighborhoods and kill 25 people during 500 violent riots last year?
Also, pointing the finger and yelling, "Yeah, but January 6th!" is no justification.

 

[fred tacky]

The GOP/RNC wants to require standard forms of ID to decrease voter fraud.

Just like banks, rental companies, etc., every industry wants to decrease fraud. This is just normal prudence.

Examples of ID used for normal transactions include driver's license, a copy of a bill which matches the address on the ID, etc.

The Democrats (DNC) do not want this because they want to make it easier for them to commit voter fraud. They do not want any form of voter integrity:

1) The DNC want to allow fraud to win and gain power.
2) The DNC want to allow non-citizens to vote, thus eliminating any value of citizenship.
3) The DNC wants to buy the vote of anyone they can in order to gain power. This is why they want illegal immigrants and convicted criminals to vote. They also promise to give free benefits to everyone for this and that.

Are they doing this out of the goodness of their heart?

Are they doing this because of their overwhelming love for us?

Are the DNC politicians simply more noble, caring, and thoughtful?

lol.

 

[JustOneWay]

The GOP/RNC wants to require standard forms of ID to decrease voter fraud.

Just like banks, rental companies, etc., every industry wants to decrease fraud. This is just normal prudence.

Examples of ID used for normal transactions include driver's license, a copy of a bill which matches the address on the ID, etc.

The Democrats (DNC) do not want this because they want to make it easier for them to commit voter fraud. They do not want any form of voter integrity:

1) The DNC want to allow fraud to win and gain power.
2) The DNC want to allow non-citizens to vote, thus eliminating any value of citizenship.
3) The DNC wants to buy the vote of anyone they can in order to gain power. This is why they want illegal immigrants and convicted criminals to vote. They also promise to give free benefits to everyone for this and that.

Are they doing this out of the goodness of their heart?

Are they doing this because of their overwhelming love for us?

Are the DNC politicians simply more noble, caring, and thoughtful?

lol.

This is nonsense. Come back when you have evidence for this rant.

Far too little vote fraud to tip election to Trump, AP finds

 

[TLK Valentine]

Donald Trump didn't storm the capitol either.

Osama Bin Laden never flew a plane.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

According to my SIL, certified birth certificates are not always accepted either. She had to get a very specific kind of (AKA new) certified birth certificate as her original, certified birth certificate is no longer considered valid. BTW, she was denied a license in the same state that her original, certified birth certificate is from until she applied for and got a newer certified birth certificate.

I suspect that was to do with the federal ID aspect this time as her old ID was not a "federal" one.

I had to do this when I got my passport about ten years ago. My original birth certificate was deemed "invalid" because the lady at the post office couldn't read the county seal stamped on it and it was in an "irregular format" (not a normal-sized sheet of paper). Had to order a new birth certificate and have it overnighted across the country. The fresh copy was literally a photocopy of the one I had originally tried to use, just re-printed on official letterhead. Same blurry, illegible stamp, and clearly the same size paper prior to it being digitized, but it was now deemed acceptable.

Which reminds me, I should probably renew my passport.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I would agree with you that they all need to go to jail, but would you also say that for every rioter who broke a window, set a car on fire, helped destroy whole city blocks...

Obviously. Many of us said so at the time. I doubt you can point to anyone pushing your strawman theory that any of these were good for democracy.

 

[KCfromNC]

Remind me about when Democrats considered seizing voting machines because they didn't like the election results?

Do you want to read more diversions about protests totally off-topic for a thread about election results? Because straightforward requests like this which dismantle right-wing talking points are how you end up with more diversions about protests totally off-topic for a thread about election results.

 

[KCfromNC]

Does a vax card contain a photo of the owner? No.

If that's your only objection, we can certainly add them. No worse than having to create any other sort of brand new ID that everyone has to get to vote, and at least with vaccination cards we have an infrastructure in place for delivering them quickly and easily.

 

[KCfromNC]

The GOP/RNC wants to require standard forms of ID to decrease voter fraud.

That's the narrative, but their actions show a different motive. For example, in my state GOP legislators didn't look for forms of voter ID which would best reduce fraud, but instead specifically tried to require those that their research showed was most difficult for minority voters to obtain.

When people put their actions on public display like that, probably best to pay attention to what they do rather than what their PR firms are trying to sell to the credulous.

 

[KCfromNC]

Obviously. Many of us said so at the time. I doubt you can point to anyone pushing your strawman theory that any of these were good for democracy.

Might not be good for democracy, but for some reason talk of scary black people protesting is good for distracting some from the topic of various threads.

 

[NxNW]

The GOP/RNC wants to require standard forms of ID to decrease voter fraud.

Since voter fraud is almost nonexistent, why do they need to decrease it?

Just like banks, rental companies, etc., every industry wants to decrease fraud. This is just normal prudence.

Banking and renting are not constitutional rights. Voting is, and should not be restricted.

Examples of ID used for normal transactions include driver's license, a copy of a bill which matches the address on the ID, etc.

Many people don't have drivers licenses, and don't have utility bills in their name. Drivers licenses are not required to have up-to-date addresses in some states, because you're only required to update your address online without getting a new license.

The Democrats (DNC) do not want this because they want to make it easier for them to commit voter fraud.

If you had any evidence of fraud, you'd have posted it already.

They do not want any form of voter integrity:

1) The DNC want to allow fraud to win and gain power.

Democrats won the last election without fraud.

2) The DNC want to allow non-citizens to vote, thus eliminating any value of citizenship.

Link, please.

3) The DNC wants to buy the vote of anyone they can in order to gain power. This is why they want illegal immigrants and convicted criminals to vote.

Link, please.

They also promise to give free benefits to everyone for this and that.

Link, please.

Are they doing this out of the goodness of their heart?

Why is the GOP trying to take away my right to vote?
Can't they win elections without overthrowing the government?

 

[NxNW]

I had to do this when I got my passport about ten years ago. My original birth certificate was deemed "invalid" because the lady at the post office couldn't read the county seal stamped on it and it was in an "irregular format" (not a normal-sized sheet of paper). Had to order a new birth certificate and have it overnighted across the country. The fresh copy was literally a photocopy of the one I had originally tried to use, just re-printed on official letterhead. Same blurry, illegible stamp, and clearly the same size paper prior to it being digitized, but it was now deemed acceptable.

But the GOP wants you to give up because of the hassle, and because not everyone can afford to have this done.

 

[Aldebaran]

If that's your only objection, we can certainly add them. No worse than having to create any other sort of brand new ID that everyone has to get to vote, and at least with vaccination cards we have an infrastructure in place for delivering them quickly and easily.

We've had sources for photo IDs far longer, and photo ID's are greatly more accepted as a form of ID than a vaccine card.