New GOP efforts to make it harder to vote

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In a previous thread, we discussed various GOP efforts to make the election less Democratic (and therefore less democratic) in the run-up to the 2020 elections. Given the outcome of the election, it's clear that not enough votes were suppressed to satisfy the Republican Party, so new efforts are underway in various states.

In another symptom of the Republican Party's internal divisions, the Trumpiest members of the party are trying ever bolder ways of reducing the vote, while more moderate GOP members are wondering if this might make them look bad.

State GOP lawmakers propose flurry of voting restrictions to placate Trump supporters, spurring fears of a backlash

GOP state lawmakers across the country have proposed a flurry of voting restrictions that they say are needed to restore confidence in U.S. elections, an effort intended to placate supporters of former president Donald Trump who believe his false claims that the 2020 outcome was rigged.

But the effort is dividing Republicans, some of whom are warning that it will tar the GOP as the party of voter suppression and give Democrats ammunition to mobilize their supporters ahead of the 2022 midterms.

One bill in Georgia would block early voting on Sundays, which critics quickly labeled a flagrant attempt to thwart Souls to the Polls, the Democratic turnout effort that targets Black churchgoers on the final Sunday before an election.


After Fleming unveiled a sweeping proposal Thursday with provisions such as tough new identification requirements when requesting an absentee ballot and a prohibition on “line-warming” by nonpartisan groups — including such activities as distributing water in warm weather or blankets in the cold — Democrats and voting rights advocates pounced.

Is there really a valid reason to make voting some kind of endurance sport? In what way would this ensure the validity of the election? And we know from experience where the long lines in Georgia are going to be.

According to the Brennan Center for Justice, a civil rights think tank, lawmakers in 33 states have crafted more than 165 bills to restrict voting so far this year — more than four times the number in last year’s legislative sessions. The group attributed the surge to “a rash of baseless and racist allegations of voter fraud” and accused lawmakers of a “backlash to historic voter turnout” last year.

Historic levels of democratic engagement and participation? Can't have that!

Some Republicans have made clear that they don’t think enacting voting restrictions is smart politics. In Georgia, House Speaker David Ralston and the Senate’s presiding officer, Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan, have both announced that they will not support legislation that curtails eligibility to vote by mail, as some lawmakers there and in other states have proposed.

Those actions reflect the growing realization among Republicans that catering to a narrow core of party activists who remain fiercely loyal to Trump is an increasingly perilous path.
 

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Florida GOP Gov. DeSantis proposes voting restriction bills for state lawmakers to pass this session

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis unveiled a slate of voting proposals Friday that he wants lawmakers to pass in their upcoming legislative session, including restricting the mass mailing of mail-in ballots and access to ballot drop boxes.

Another proposed measure would "address the use of ballot boxes," which DeSantis called "a big problem" and argued that residents should either mail their absentee ballot or drop it off at an election office.

DeSantis' proposals are "unfortunately consistent with a rash of policies that have been offered to restrict voter access," Sweren-Becker said, adding that some of the governor's proposals appear to be based on the "faulty premise" and disproven lies about the 2020 election and voter fraud.
 
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Georgia is trying to limit the involvement of religious groups and other voter groups.

There is no evidence that higher turnouts benefit either party. The only Republicans that lost ground were Trump and Georgia Senate candidates. Otherwise theGOP did extremely well in 2020. It could be the GOP is going to poop on it’s own porch with these efforts.
 
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Another proposed measure would "address the use of ballot boxes," which DeSantis called "a big problem" and argued that residents should either mail their absentee ballot or drop it off at an election office.
I'd like to know his reasoning behind this one.
 
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Georgia is trying to limit the involvement of religious groups and other voter groups.

There is no evidence that higher turnouts benefit either party. The only Republicans that lost ground were Trump and Georgia Senate candidates. Otherwise theGOP did extremely well in 2020. It could be the GOP is going to poop on it’s own porch with these efforts.
I don't think the desired outcome is to lower turnout as a whole, but lower turner out for certain communities that tend to vote Democratic.
 
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I don't think the desired outcome is to lower turnout as a whole, but lower turner out for certain communities that tend to vote Democratic.
Same end game. But we have seen that the Democrats learned to fight back.
 
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Florida GOP Gov. DeSantis proposes voting restriction bills for state lawmakers to pass this session

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis unveiled a slate of voting proposals Friday that he wants lawmakers to pass in their upcoming legislative session, including restricting the mass mailing of mail-in ballots and access to ballot drop boxes.

Another proposed measure would "address the use of ballot boxes," which DeSantis called "a big problem" and argued that residents should either mail their absentee ballot or drop it off at an election office.

DeSantis' proposals are "unfortunately consistent with a rash of policies that have been offered to restrict voter access," Sweren-Becker said, adding that some of the governor's proposals appear to be based on the "faulty premise" and disproven lies about the 2020 election and voter fraud.

I am practically foaming at the mouth in anticipation of voting this dude out of office next year.
 
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I am practically foaming at the mouth in anticipation of voting this dude out of office next year.

Hate to disappoint you, but I'm sure he knows all the tricks to avoid things as inconvenient as "the vote."
 
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Arizona lawmakers are debating a new set of voting bills -- including one that would allow lawmakers to review election results "if needed" and would grant the legislature the power to pick the state's presidential electors -- as Republican lawmakers around the country work to change election laws in the wake of the 2020 election.

Democrats and voting rights advocates have pushed back on the legislation, saying that it could disenfranchise voters by potentially placing election results into the hands of state lawmakers.

"Why even have a presidential election, why have voters vote on it if, essentially the legislature is going to be able to override whatever the voters vote for," state Sen. Sean Bowie, a Democrat, said at a Tuesday meeting.

In the Grand Canyon State, according to an updated analysis by the liberal leaning Brennan Center for Justice, lawmakers have introduced, filed or are advancing [at] least 19 proposed bills aimed at restricting voting access.

One bill would require mail-in ballots be notarized.

Overall, according to Brennan, at least 250 restrictive voting bills are being weighed by state legislatures, an effort led by Republicans -- more than six times the number of bills for the same time last year.
 
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Iowa Republicans were moving swiftly Wednesday to sharply limit early voting in the state, months after a general election overseen by a Republican secretary of state resulted in record turnout and overwhelming victories by GOP candidates.

Supporters of the legislation cited fraud concerns as the reason early voting must be reined in. However, like in many other Republican-led states where similar steps are being considered, there historically haven’t been widespread concerns about irregularities in the election system.

“Last fall we had elections overseen by a Republican secretary of state in which Republicans gained seats in the Iowa House and the U.S. House, so if there is any significant voter fraud in this state then two things are true,” Democratic Sen. Herman Quirmbach of Ames said. “It’s your fault, and second, it raises questions of the legitimacy of your own elections.”
 
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Can't allow people to vote easily and readily; that might be too much of an advantage for "(((those)))" people.

When you're a cult of personality that has been falsely led to believe that an election was "stolen" from you by dastardly Dominion voting machines, I guess you'd do anything you can to eliminate the advantage the opponents you made up have over you.
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It's good we have a thread dedicated to this because we'll see a LOT of it over the next couple years.

And the silence of Republicans is no surprise.

"We want only legal votes to count"....can lead to:
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Elected officials have ABSOLUTELY no right to dismiss the results of an election.
 
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I'd like to know his reasoning behind this one.

Well the real reasoning is pretty obvious. Though there are several points.

Perhaps most important is a ballot dropped in a ballot box is received at that point. One put in the mail might not be received for several days. I suspect Florida requires ballots to be received by election day.

What 'good' does it do to make sure there are long lines to vote in areas that vote against you if the voters have easy access to ballot boxes? And trying to restrict access for somethign cheap like that is going to be harder to do than playing games with voting centers. Extra difficult because you would have to prevent boxes from existing where the 'wrong' voters live, work and shop. Even for those whose work is housekeeping or gardening for 'right' voters. Huge problem!

Now hearing the claimed reasoning could be interesting.
 
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I want to hear from right wingers why it is EXCLUSIVELY Republicans attempting to limit the legality of voting and putting undue restrictions on democracy.

I'm also curious about "why now"?

Are you all getting scared that the 13% of voters who were new voters OVERWHELMINGLY voted for the other party? If that is why you are scared, I have htis other, CRAAAAAAZY suggestion for trying to win elections:
Listen to them and provide CLEAR examples of how you are going to help them. And then clearly help them.

The only demonstrable improvement for the average american in hte last four years seems to be a reduction in their taxes (and even that is fAAAAAAAAAR from a uniform benefit).
 
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I want to hear from right wingers why it is EXCLUSIVELY Republicans attempting to limit the legality of voting and putting undue restrictions on democracy.

To hear them tell it, it's because Democrats support voter fraud and want illegal immigrants to be able to vote 10 times or something.
 
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