New Creationist theory on how life spread out after the flood.

[AV1611VET]

Why would "non-Christians" need too?

So they can accuse us of being hypocrites for not hunting witches, marching off on a crusade, or putting someone through a trial by ordeal.

 

[Split Rock]

It's somewhat amusing but also somewhat irritating to see atheists and agnostics try to come to grips with the merits of a work of faith. If you don't have faith as a starting point, and you try to read the Bible as a scientific journal, you're going to not only misunderstand, but also completely miss the point.

The problem I have with most creationists here is that they do indeed try to use the bible as a scientific journal. They use scripture to try and disprove scientific theories. Scripture isn't about explaining nature, its about explaning God. I would have no problem with most creationists here if they didn't try to use the bible to explain nature.

Of course the whole point of this thread is to discredit people of faith, so it shouldn't be surprising to see you all try so hard, but no matter how hard you try you can't discredit something you don't understand.

Personally I have no interest in discrediting people of faith. I am interested in discrediting lies and misinformation about science.

I'm not trying to convert anybody to Christianity here. Just trying to bring some balance to the discussion. In the end, everybody was created with a free will, and a choice to believe or not to believe. I guess you just have to ask yourself, when your last day comes, will you be confident in your decision? And even if you are, it won't matter one iota when you die, because whatever happens after you die is out of your control. You'd better hope you've made the right choice.

I smell a subtle threat in there, but yes, I am confident in my rejection of a very poor interpretation of scripture that does not take either the context of the bible, nor reality into consideration.

 

[Split Rock]

So they can accuse us of being hypocrites for not hunting witches, marching off on a crusade, or putting someone through a trial by ordeal.

"Thy shall not suffer a witch to live." - God.

 

[HitchSlap]

So they can accuse us of being hypocrites for not hunting witches, marching off on a crusade, or putting someone through a trial by ordeal.

Sadly for theocrats, secular morality has superceded that of the bible and we've outlawed such heinous practices here in the US.

 

[AV1611VET]

Objective people critique the bible as they would any other book. Is it accurate, does it have historical credibility etc. etc..

Uh-huh.

That's why Israel is considered "invaders" when they were ordered into their own land, isn't it?

Of course, they were never in Egypt in the first place, and they didn't wander around in the Sinai for 40 years; so Heaven knows where you guys think they must have come from.

What with herding all those goats and all.

Ya ... that's real accurate reporting you guys do there.

 

[bhsmte]

Uh-huh.

That's why Israel is considered "invaders" when they were ordered into their own land, isn't it?

Of course, they were never in Egypt in the first place, and they didn't wander around in the Sinai for 40 years; so Heaven knows where you guys think they must have come from.

What with herding all those goats and all.

Ya ... that's real accurate reporting you guys do there.

Oh, that explains everything.

I changed my mind, the bible is 100% accurate.

 

[CabVet]

Uh-huh.

That's why Israel is considered "invaders" when they were ordered into their own land, isn't it?

By whom? What entitles them to that land?

 

[CabVet]

"Thy shall not suffer a witch to live." - God.

He likes it fully cited and KJV, like this:

Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're the one who says it's scientific.

I beg your pardon?

That's twice now I've been accused of saying that, within a few days.

Aren't I the one on record here as saying -- many times -- that using the Bible as a science book is like trying to use Bill Gate's diary as a computer manual?

Or are you someone using Phred's logon?

 

[AV1611VET]

Really? Who is advocating that? Or is this just bearing false witness (again)?

Oh, I'm sorry. I missed you last Sunday. My bad.

That's called separation of church and state. The Qur'an is kept out of the school for the same reason, and I am sure you are glad for that.

Ya ... there's a term for that: Throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Similarly, you thumb your nose at the Qur'an, at basic Islamic doctrine, at Islamic speculation...

For good reasons that you can't understand too.

... then you sit and expect us to accept your interpretations of the Bible to your satisfaction.

There went your parallel ... big time.

P.S.: you can replace Islamic references with the religion of your liking.

Whatever.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sadly for theocrats, secular morality has superceded that of the bible and we've outlawed such heinous practices here in the US.

Yet you (plural -- that means more than one) ridicule us for not breaking the law.

 

[AV1611VET]

By whom? What entitles them to that land?

It's called the Abrahamic Covenant.

And let's keep this past-tense, okay?

I notice you said 'entitles;' where I'm specifically talking about the Exodus coming to an end in Moses' time, and Joshua superseding him.

Let's not be in a rush to jump to 1948, okay?

 

[Phred]

It's called the Abrahamic Covenant.

And let's keep this past-tense, okay?

I notice you said 'entitles;' where I'm specifically talking about the Exodus coming to an end in Moses' time, and Joshua superseding him.

Let's not be in a rush to jump to 1948, okay?

The Bible doesn't entitle the Jews to that land. When you write a book, put that "covenant" in there and then point to it as proof that you own land that's a bit self-serving.

 

[CabVet]

Oh, I'm sorry. I missed you last Sunday. My bad.

No worries, you can try again next Sunday. Or the next. It is not often, but pastors do on occasion preach on the 10 commandments.

Ya ... there's a term for that: Throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Can you point to one Bible verse where it says that the Bible needs to be (or even should be) taught in school? No? Do you know why? Because there isn't one.

For good reasons that you can't understand too.

Let me guess, for the same good reasons why Muslims reject the Bible?

There went your parallel ... big time.

No, it really didn't. The "you" was plural (that means more than one). It was not referring to you in particular, but to Christians in general. I know you (singular) don't really care about what the non-religious think about the Bible, but most Christians do.

 

[Phred]

I beg your pardon?

That's twice now I've been accused of saying that, within a few days.

Aren't I the one on record here as saying -- many times -- that using the Bible as a science book is like trying to use Bill Gate's diary as a computer manual?

Or are you someone using Phred's logon?

And by "you" I mean creationists. See, "discovery institute" for example. Or the Creation Museum and our old friend Ken Hamm.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Bible doesn't entitle the Jews to that land. When you write a book, put that "covenant" in there and then point to it as proof that you own land that's a bit self-serving.

Sure it does. That is how magic books work.

So the Muslims have a legal claim to it to since it is in their magic book.

Hmm, I need a pen and some paper.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Bible doesn't entitle the Jews to that land. When you write a book, put that "covenant" in there and then point to it as proof that you own land that's a bit self-serving.

Where'd you hear that? Harvard or Yale?

 

[Sasquatchit]

From Conservapedia

Interesting, but thats not what God states.

Gen. 6:6 "And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart."

7 "...I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them."

11 "The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence."

13 "...the end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth."

17 "...I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die."

7:19 "...the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered."

20 "The waters prevailed 15 cubits upward (1 cubit = 18"), and the mountains were covered.

21 "...all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man."

22 "All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died."

 

[EternalDragon]

The Bible doesn't entitle the Jews to that land. When you write a book, put that "covenant" in there and then point to it as proof that you own land that's a bit self-serving.

Now this I have studied and it is a very detailed and touchy subject. One thing is for sure. The Israelites were there first and occupied it the longest. There was a small patch of it where some Philistines, Ammonites and Edomites were living but that is it.

The Koran does not contain divine authenticity, does not state that it is words from God and does not make prophecies that came true. They do trace their right to the land back to Abraham through Ishmael, who they say was Arabic. (In fact they change even Jesus to an Arab for their purposes.)

The fact is that through the results of WWII the Palestinians live there now on parts of the land and have lived there for some time. So the only real solution is a truce and peace and a sharing of the land.

Who Owns the Land? by Stanley A. Ellisen

 

[Subduction Zone]

Interesting, but thats not what God states.

Gen. 6:6 "And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart."

7 "...I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them."

11 "The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence."

13 "...the end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth."

17 "...I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die."

7:19 "...the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered."

20 "The waters prevailed 15 cubits upward (1 cubit = 18"), and the mountains were covered.

21 "...all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man."

22 "All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died."

That is not what "God said". That is what is written in your Bible.

Do you understand the difference?

Probably not.