Neo-Darwinian evolution is in trouble INSIDE the scientific community

[Speedwell]

You don't know what you are talking about. Satan cannot touch God's elect whether they believe in theistic evolution or not. Faith is based solely in Christ, OUR SAVIOR. There is no prerequisite for our belief to be valid, I never implied there was and if you've read my posts, I did state that clearly several times.

So what's the attitude about? I don't mean you particularly, but it cannot be denied that YECs often display a great deal of hostility towards non-YEC Christians.

Genesis sets the foundation which the rest of the Bible builds on. If you distort it or don't take it literally and seriously, that mindset continues throughout the Bible, and so anything else you read may be a possible myth or allegory. How do you pick and choose? This is how many read the Bible, they pick and choose what they like and discard the rest. These are the same people who symbolize End Time Prophecy, especially the book of Revelation. And so they do not take that seriously or simply, it's happened already. This leads us to think life is just going to go on and on as it has for millions of years. God has a plan and He did not intend for mankind to suffer in a sinful world for eons without end. The End is Near ... after that, peace and good will towards men for a thousand years.

Yes, we know that's what you think. You have a fully articulated and internally self-consistent view of the Bible which is not necessarily quite the same as other Christians--who also have their own fully articulated and internally self-consistent view of scripture, and are not on any sort of slippery slope.

 

[Ronald]

You may not know, but astronomers can calculate it. It isn't that difficult; the tidal force is directly proportional to the mass of the gravitating object and inversely proportional to the cube of its distance.



The supposed correlation between tides and earthquakes 'has been a subject of great debate for many years.' According to the British Geological Survey website http://www/earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/research/earthquakeSunMoon.html , 'Several studies have reported no correlation between the Earth tide and earthquake occurrence, e.g. Kennedy et al., 2004. Other studies have reported small positive correlations, e.g. Kasahara, 2002. ... However, even if there is a statistical relationship between Earth tides and earthquake activity, it doesn't really help in earthquake prediction'.
You can, however, rest assured that the difference between the tidal force during an eclipse and the tidal force at an ordinary New Moon or Full Moon is not large enough by itself to precipitate an earthquake. If anything, the alignment is more likely to cause coastal flooding due to high tides.



'That mysterious Planet X' doesn't exist; all the claims of its existence have been refuted. If it was ten times the size of the Earth (do you mean in mass or diameter?) and twenty years away, it would have been discovered. Also, it is quite impossible for any planet to remain invisible as a result of being aligned with the Sun for more than a few weeks.

Thanks for that, one less thing.

 

[Ronald]

That is too bad. The problem is that the Adam and Eve story is a myth. If your God made this Earth the evidence tells us that that is the case. If your God did not make this Earth then your whole argument is moot.

I heard somewhere that our genes can be linked back to two people?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I heard somewhere that our genes can be linked back to two people?

Yes, but they did not live at the same time. And it is only part of our genes. The Y-chormosome can be traced back to one individual male and our mitochondrial DNA can be traced back to one female. And even at those times there were still thousands of other human beings.

 

[Ronald]

So what's the attitude about? I don't mean you particularly, but it cannot be denied that YECs often display a great deal of hostility towards non-YEC Christians. Yes, we know that's what you think. You have a fully articulated and internally self-consistent view of the Bible which is not necessarily quite the same as other Christians--who also have their own fully articulated and internally self-consistent view of scripture, and are not on any sort of slippery slope.

Even my father, an atheist for most of his said, "You can't just believe in part of the Bible, you have to believe in all of it". It's either purely and communicated in a way that God wants us to understand it, not filled with symbol abstract meanings that we have to decipher and get confused with. Genesis is straight forward, a child can get it.

 

[Ronald]

Yes, but they did not live at the same time. And it is only part of our genes. The Y-chormosome can be traced back to one individual male and our mitochondrial DNA can be traced back to one female. And even at those times there were still thousands of other human beings.

One male, one female and oh a bunch of other folks whose generations died I guess. How convenient your claim.

 

[Subduction Zone]

One male, one female and oh a bunch of other folks whose generations died I guess. How convenient your claim.

Nope, wrong again. Where did you get that crazy idea from?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Even my father, an atheist for most of his said, "You can't just believe in part of the Bible, you have to believe in all of it". It's either purely and communicated in a way that God wants us to understand it, not filled with symbol abstract meanings that we have to decipher and get confused with. Genesis is straight forward, a child can get it.

Your father was wrong. If you have to believe in the entire Bible then you might as well throw it out. I am betting that even you don't believe in all of the Bible.

 

[Ronald]

I would think that if it was important enough to Him He would have made himself felt. I tried.



I wasn't an atheist all my life. In fact, most of my life I was a Christian.



Look, I get it. I feel for your loss, but my experience doesn't necessarily conform to your Chick Tract Cartoon version of things. But thanks for trying.



Yeah, not going to take advice on "humility" from you. No offense. You see, like most atheists, I didn't just stumble into atheism. I spent years of consideration, self-examination, theological examination and soul-searching if you will.

And when I see people who are asking me to dive back into non-stop anguish and worrying because, well that's what you've got on offer, I have to say "no thanks". I came to the position I'm in because of hard work. I've thought about my lack of faith for quite some time. Your faith journey is yours, mine is mine.

You can believe as you like. However I will draw the line on critiquing science that is my area of expertise/interest unless you have put in a significant amount of effort to understand that which you are critiquing.

My argument is not against you faith, it's against you critique of the science.

OK, adios.

 

[Ronald]

Your father was wrong. If you have to believe in the entire Bible then you might as well throw it out. I am betting that even you don't believe in all of the Bible.

Every word, that has been translated accurately of course. Verses differ, words sometimes differ. I use about seven different translations to be sure. Yes, all scripture is God breathed. The Prophets wrote down exactly what God wanted them to, word for word. As far as the New Testament goes we can be confident it was passed down 99.99% with maybe only 400 words in question that btw don't effect any doctrine. There are over 5,000 manuscripts dating back to a couple decades after Christ died and ascended. Besides God is all powerful, so it stands to reason that He made sure His Word was not changed or distorted in any way. You can't compare the Word of Truth to a fabricated theory filled with lies and deception.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Every word, that has been translated accurately of course. Verses differ, words sometimes differ. I use about seven different translations to be sure. Yes, all scripture is God breathed. The Prophets wrote down exactly what God wanted them to, word for word. As far as the New Testament goes we can be confident it was passed down 99.99% with maybe only 400 words in question that btw don't effect any doctrine. There are over 5,000 manuscripts dating back to a couple decades after Christ died and ascended. Besides God is all powerful, so it stands to reason that He made sure His Word was not changed or distorted in any way. You can't compare the Word of Truth to a fabricated theory filled with lies and deception.

So the world is flat.

 

[Speedwell]

Every word, that has been translated accurately of course. Verses differ, words sometimes differ. I use about seven different translations to be sure. Yes, all scripture is God breathed. The Prophets wrote down exactly what God wanted them to, word for word. As far as the New Testament goes we can be confident it was passed down 99.99% with maybe only 400 words in question that btw don't effect any doctrine. There are over 5,000 manuscripts dating back to a couple decades after Christ died and ascended. Besides God is all powerful, so it stands to reason that He made sure His Word was not changed or distorted in any way. You can't compare the Word of Truth to a fabricated theory filled with lies and deception.

But none of that justifies your interpretation of Genesis as the superior or only possible one.

 

[sfs]

One male, one female and oh a bunch of other folks whose generations died I guess.

Nope. Some of the others didn't leave any descendants, but lots of them did.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I think theory of evolution is more of "out of date " , 150+ years without proof yet still people believe this crap.

150 years of theory refinement and the accumulation of hundreds of thousands of examples in multiple independent lines of evidence, all of which support it - with no plausible evidence to the contrary.

I think that speaks for itself.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

About 48% of Americans believe that Man did not evolve, and was created as he is. The other half include the atheists and theistic evolutions. Of the 48% creationists, 11% of them are of other religions. So I guess the 37% percent are the Christians. And according to polls, 90% would say they believe in God, which leaves 79% of them would be Christian, so that's about a little less than half. Acceptance of evolution by religious groups - Wikipedia

Those figures are out of date. The latest Gallup poll (May 2017) put it at 37% and dropping - lowest (21%) among the best educated, and highest (48%) among the less well educated.

It looks like the rise in creationism in America, that started in the 1920s as an anti-evolution movement, is dying away, a historical blip.

 

[Ronald]

So the world is flat.

Isaiah 40:22 says "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and it's people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy and spreads them out like a tent to live in."
If you are on the moon the earth would look like a circle, obviously not a flat circle.

But maybe you can use this verse to proof that we evolved from grasshoppers. Well, I'm going to hop away now.

 

[Ronald]

But none of that justifies your interpretation of Genesis as the superior or only possible one.

I don't think much interpretation is needed, just read it literally. It's written for a child to understand it.

 

[Jimmy D]

I don't think much interpretation is needed, just read it literally. It's written for a child to understand it.

A bit like Aesop's fables?

 

[Ronald]

Those figures are out of date. The latest Gallup poll (May 2017) put it at 37% and dropping - lowest (21%) among the best educated, and highest (48%) among the less well educated.

It looks like the rise in creationism in America, that started in the 1920s as an anti-evolution movement, is dying away, a historical blip.

Your assessment is off. Christianity is on tract. In 1900 there were 500 million Christians. Now there are 2.3+ billion. That's progress, about 1/3 of the planet (the remnant). Confused men with fabricated theories cannot thwart God's plan, He's sovereign.

 

[Ronald]

A bit like Aesop's fables?

Actually many of the morals taught in Aesop's Fables come from the Bible.
"A man is known by the company he keeps". > Spend a lot of time with people who are wise and become wise, likewise, hang with fools and become one.
Those who practice cunning must expect to suffer by it". > The wages of sin is death
"An evil mind will show by itself an evil action". > sinful ways
"Pride goes before destruction". > Pride comes before destruction.
"He who seeks to injure others often injures himself". > What you sow is what you reap.
"To enjoy our blessings we must have freedom". > You are not free until you are saved.