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I don't disagree with any scripture Zeena. Is there a point or two that is relevant to our conversation that you'd like to make regarding those quotes?
How about these?

Hebrews 8:13 in the to be saying 'New', He hath made old/pepalaiwken <3822> (5758) the first.
The yet being aged/palaioumenon <3822> (5746) and being obsolete/ghraskon <1095> (5723) nigh of disappearance/a-fanismou <854>

Reve 19:3 And a second-time they have declared "allelouia and the Smoke of Her is ascending into the Ages of the Ages".

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7164949&page=2
DO NOT WEEP!!!!! The Great City
 
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I don't disagree with ANY scripture Zeena. Is there some relevant point or two in our conversation you are tying to make by quoting that stretch?
Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;

I don't disagree with any scripture Zeena. Is there a point or two that is relevant to our conversation that you'd like to make regarding those quotes?
Romans 2:13
for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
 
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How about these?

Isn't that the funny thing eh lloj? Any given scripture can be put up and every observer will have a filter or cover on 'how' they see/perceive same, greek, english or any other version.

Gods Words truly are A REFLECTION of the hearts of the observers down to the last man.
 
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Isn't that the funny thing eh lloj? Any given scripture can be put up and every observer will have a filter or cover on 'how' they see/perceive same, greek, english or any other version.

Gods Words truly are A REFLECTION of the hearts of the observers down to the last man.
Tis true :blush:

Luke 2:32 A Light into an un-covering/apo-kaluyin <602> of Nations and glory of people of Thee Israel

Revelation 1:1 An un-covering/apo-kaluyiV <602> of Jesus Christ, which gives to him, the God, to show to His bond-servants which-things is binding to be becoming in swiftness. And He signifies commissioning thru the messenger of Him, to the bondservants of Him, John.
 
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I don't disagree with any of what Paul wrote either Zeena. Is there a relevant point or two in connection to our conversation you'd like to make about them? :doh:
It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing, but DOING the will of God.

Mark 3:35
For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Ephesians 6:6
Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;
 
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Tis true :blush:

Luke 2:32 A Light into an un-covering/apo-kaluyin <602> of Nations and glory of people of Thee Israel

Revelation 1:1 An un-covering/apo-kaluyiV <602> Jesus Christ, which gives to him, the God, to show to His bond-servants, which-things is binding to be becoming in swiftness. And He signifies commissioning thru the messenger of Him, to the bondservants of Him, John.

Here is another showing of that 'reality:'

God has called FOR THIS REALITY...and it can be observed right here in REAL TIME today, right in front of our own eyes:

Ezekiel 38:21
And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

This is Gods command functioning in our present day environment...dividing as He Goes...and NOT bringing PEACE, but A SWORD...

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Here is another showing of that 'reality:'

God has called FOR THIS REALITY...and it can be observed right here in REAL TIME today, right in front of our own eyes:

Ezekiel 38:21
And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

This is Gods command functioning in our present day environment...dividing as He Goes...and NOT bringing PEACE, but A SWORD...

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Reve 13:10 tells the Saints not to use the sword :thumbsup:

Luke 21:24 And they shall be falling to mouth of sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations and Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations. [Reve 13:10]

Reve 13:10 If any to-captivity into captivity is going away. If any in sword shall be killing, is binding him in sword to be killed. Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints [Luke 21:24]
 
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Reve 13:10 tells the Saints not to use the sword :thumbsup:

Luke 21:24 And they shall be falling to mouth of sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations and Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations. [Reve 13:10]

Reve 13:10 If any to-captivity into captivity is going away. If any in sword shall be killing, is binding him in sword to be killed. Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints [Luke 21:24]

heh heh heh...depends on which sWord ya pick up eh?

Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Ephesians 6:17
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God

Better'n gravity...that working...

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heh heh heh...depends on which sWord ya pick up eh?

Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Ephesians 6:17
And take the helmet of salvation, and the swordof the Spirit, which is the word of God

Better'n gravity...that working...

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Ezekiel 38:21 "And I call on him to all of mountains of Me a Sword declaration of my Lord YHWH.
Sword of man in brother of him shall become". [Matt 10:34/Reve 6:4]

Reve 6:4 And came forth another horse, firey and to the one sitting on him was given to him to be taking the Peace from the land and that one another they should be slaying and was given to him a Sword great. [Matt 10:34/Ezekiel 38:21]
 
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Here is another showing of that 'reality:'

God has called FOR THIS REALITY...and it can be observed right here in REAL TIME today, right in front of our own eyes:

Ezekiel 38:21
And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

This is Gods command functioning in our present day environment...dividing as He Goes...and NOT bringing PEACE, but A SWORD...

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He will also whistle for the fly, but that does not mean that He causes the fly to cause disease!

Otherwise, how could he say this;

Exodus 21:28
If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit.

The Lord will hear those DOING HIS WILL!
He will not hear those who OPPOSE His will!

John 9:31
Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
 
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He will also whistle for the fly, but that does not mean that He causes the fly to cause disease!

Otherwise, how could he say this;

Exodus 21:28
If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit.

The Lord will not inflict punishment for DOING HIS WILL!
He inflicts punishment for OPPOSING His will!
The Lord will not even have to inflict the punishment, those opposing His will, will be punishing each other.

Luke 21:9 Whenever yet ye should be hearing battles and tumults/akata-stasiaV <181> no may be being dismayed for is binding these to be becoming but not immediately the End

2 Thess 2:3 No any ye should be deluding according to no yet one manner/way, that if-ever no may be coming the apostasy/from-standing/apo-stasia <646> first. And may be being un-covered the Man of the Sin, the Son of the destruction.
 
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He will also whistle for the fly, but that does not mean that He causes the fly to cause disease!

God certainly does by 'allowance.' It's called omission (concession by lack of intervention) or commission (actually doing a deed.)

Omission and commission are considered relatively identical as to the bottom line. IF someone (God) was powerful enough to stop or intervene in a matter and DIDN'T then that is considered TACIT APPROVAL of the action allowed.

It is similar to IF Israel were to nuke Iran and the U.S. did nothing to stop it, that would be considered APPROVAL of the action without so much stating so.

So in any matter of the COMMISSION of EVIL (or any other thing that happens in creation) we have Gods TACIT APPROVAL via omission.

Otherwise, how could he say this;

Exodus 21:28
If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit.

The Lord will not inflict punishment for DOING HIS WILL!
He inflicts punishment for OPPOSING His will!

Said that to you in another thread. God does ACTIVELY WORK retributive EVIL to this day.

Let me know when you 'obey' His Will 'perfectly.'

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The Lord will not even have to inflict the punishment, those opposing His will, will be punishing each other.

Luke 21:9 Whenever yet ye should be hearing battles and tumults/akata-stasiaV <181> no may be being dismayed for is binding these to be becoming but not immediately the End

2 Thess 2:3 No any ye should be deluding according to no yet one manner/way, that if-ever no may be coming the apostasy/from-standing/apo-stasia <646> first. And may be being un-covered the Man of the Sin, the Son of the destruction.
Thank you, I am just in the midst of studying this subject, I spoke out of line, sorry.

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I edited that post and changed 'punish' to 'hear' :)
 
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I'ma study and seek the Lord, I bbl :wave:

Here, I'm reading this for starters;

GOD UNDER OBLIGATION TO DO RIGHT by Charles G. Finney

The Oberlin Evangelist.
[SIZE=+2]September 14, 1842.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+3]GOD UNDER OBLIGATION TO DO RIGHT.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Sermon by Professor Finney.[/SIZE]
'Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?' Gen. 18:25.
In discussing this subject I will show,
I. WHAT IS RIGHT.
II. WHAT IS IMPLIED IN GOD'S DOING RIGHT?
III. THAT GOD IS UNDER A MORAL OBLIGATION TO DO RIGHT.
IV. THAT ALL MORAL BEINGS ARE BOUND TO BE WILLING THAT GOD SHOULD DO RIGHT.

I. What is right?

Right expresses the moral quality of disinterested benevolence. Benevolence is good willing or willing the highest good of being. Disinterested benevolence is willing the good of being as an end, or for its own sake, or, in other words, on account of its intrinsic value. A thing is good, that is, naturally good, because it is valuable in itself.--Such, for instance, is happiness. Happiness is a good in itself, that is, it is valuable. Every moral being knows by his own certain knowledge, that happiness is valuable, is good. To will, therefore, the highest happiness or the highest good of being for its own sake, is benevolence. Benevolence, then, consists in willing according to the nature and relations of things. Reason universally affirms that to will thus, to will good for its own sake, to will it impartially or disinterestedly, or in other words, to will every good of every being according to its relative value, is right. Right is the term by which we express the moral quality of disinterested benevolence. The terms right, virtue, holiness, &c., express the same thing. They denote the moral quality of disinterested benevolence or of that love that constitutes obedience to the law of God. Let it be understood, then, that disinterested benevolence is always right, and that nothing else is right, and that whatever is right or virtuous, is only a modification of disinterested benevolence. Nothing is virtue or right that is not in compliance with the law of disinterested benevolence.

II. What is implied in God's doing right?

Doing right in God, his nature and relations being what they are, must imply the doing of several things by Him that would not be implied in the case of any other being.
1. He is naturally able to do many things that no other being can do. For example: God alone possesses creative power. Benevolence in Him, therefore, implies not merely willing the good of beings already existing, but that He give existence to as many beings as He wisely can. The law of benevolence would certainly require of Him to exert his infinite attributes in the promotion of good. If He did not do so, his own conscience would condemn Him.
2. His nature and relations are such that benevolence in Him requires the establishment and due administration of moral government. He has created a universe of moral beings. The highest good of the universe demands that a moral government should exist. God is able to establish and administer a moral government. Doing right, therefore, in God implies the establishment and administration of a moral government over the universe.
The same is true of many other things which it is unnecessary to mention.

III. God is under a moral obligation to do right.

1. The scriptures represent God as a moral being.
2. If He is a moral being, He must be the subject of moral obligation.
3. If He were not under a moral obligation to do right, benevolence in Him would be no virtue. Indeed there could be to Him no such thing as right and wrong, unless He were under a moral obligation to do right. Doing right in any being consists in complying with moral obligation. Right, virtue, holiness, &c., in any being, always implies moral obligation, for they are nothing else than a compliance with moral obligation. If God were not under a moral obligation, He could have no moral character. He could be neither praise nor blame-worthy. Nothing would be virtue nor praise-worthy in Him unless it sustained a relation to moral obligation.
4. Nothing could be wise or virtuous in God that is not demanded by the law of benevolence. If God should do any thing that was not required by the law of benevolence, it would be neither wise nor virtuous. If the creation of the universe were not required by the law of benevolence, then the act of creation was not virtuous. But it is impossible that the universe should not have been created in compliance with the law of benevolence. The evidences of a benevolent intention on the part of the Creator are so manifold in all the works of God as to render it certain that it was created in obedience to the law of benevolence, in other words, that the creation of the universe was an expression and a carrying out of the disposition of God to do good.
It is not intended that God was under an obligation to any one above Himself, for no such being existed. But his own self-existent nature is such that He is his own law-giver, and imposes obligation on Himself. His own reason eternally and intuitively affirms that He ought to be benevolent, that He ought to wield his own infinite attributes in the creation of beings and the promotion of their good. He is therefore under law to Himself, his reason and conscience always imposing moral obligation upon Himself. Compliance with this obligation in Him is virtue. A refusal would be vice.
5. In the text, Abraham assumes that God is under moral obligation to do right. God had informed Abraham that He was about to destroy Sodom. Abraham's reply was, 'Perhaps fifty righteous persons shall be found therein. Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked. This be far from thee to destroy the righteous with the wicked. Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?' Here Abraham plainly assumes that God was under a moral obligation to distinguish between the righteous and the wicked, and that He had no right to deal with them alike. Or in other words, Abraham assumes that it was the solemn duty of God to deal with the righteous and the wicked according to their respective characters--that to do so would be right, and that not to do so would be wrong in God.
6. God does not resent this assumption of Abraham, that He was under a moral obligation, but most fully acknowledges it. He did not say to Abraham, How dare you assume and insinuate that I am the subject of moral obligation--that any thing is obligatory on me--that I can be called to the discharge of duty? He gave Abraham no such reproof as this, but freely and fully admits the assumption of Abraham and proceeds to give him to understand, that the Judge of all the earth would do right, and that He knew too well what was obligatory upon Him to consent to destroy the righteous with the wicked.
Some people seem to feel shocked at the supposition that God should be under moral obligation. But they may just as well be offended with the supposition that He has moral character. If He does not owe obedience to the law of benevolence, then benevolence in Him is not right. It is no virtue. If God is above law, He is above virtue. If He is above moral obligation, He is above having moral character, and above being praise or blame-worthy for any thing. The conviction has been many a time crowded upon my mind, that the religion of a great multitude of its professors, is mere superstition. They are shocked with any rational view of God's character. They are offended with his being represented as the subject of moral obligation. They seem not to know at all why He is praiseworthy, and if their view of the subject were true, He would not be praise-worthy. Multitudes of professors seem to praise Him for doing that which they suppose Him under no moral obligation to do. But if He were under no moral obligation to do it--if the law of benevolence did not require it at his hands, it were neither wise nor virtuous in Him to do it, and therefore for doing it He would deserve no thanks.
Whenever I see persons manifest a spirit of opposition to the idea that God is under law, is the subject of moral obligation, and that virtue in Him, as in all other beings, is only a compliance with the great law of benevolence, I know that the religion of such persons must be superstition. It cannot be that they have the true knowledge of God, of his character, relations, and government, and that they either praise or respect Him for any good reason. Their worshiping Him for such reasons as are in their minds, He must consider as injurious and insulting.
7. The Bible every where takes it for granted that right and wrong are as applicable to God as to any other being, and that virtue in Him, as in every other being is a compliance with moral obligation.
Hence let me say again, that He is not, as we are, under obligation to one above Himself, for no such one exists. But He is under obligation to the law of benevolence as it is imposed on Him by his own reason.
Some seem to suppose that the reason why God cannot sin, is that He is above law, that his arbitrary will is law, and that whatever He wills or can will, must be right simply because his will is law. But such persons do not consider that if this theory is true, He can no more be holy than He can sin, for if there be not some rule of conduct obligatory upon Him, He has no standard of action, nothing with which to compare his own conduct, and can in fact have no moral character. Now the reason why God cannot sin, is not because He is naturally unable to sin, nor because selfishness in Him would not be sin. But it is said He cannot sin, because He is voluntarily holy, infinitely disposed not to sin.

IV. All moral beings are bound to be willing that God should do right.

If He is under a moral obligation to do right, no one can have any right to object to his doing right, for this would be absurd. It would imply the existence of contradictory rights or obligations--that God was under a moral obligation to do that which other beings were under a moral obligation to prevent if they could. It must be that whatever the law of benevolence requires of God, whatever the highest good of being demands that He should do, all moral beings are bound to be willing that He should do.
 
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I'ma study and seek the Lord, I bbl :wave:

Here, I'm reading this for starters;

GOD UNDER OBLIGATION TO DO RIGHT by Charles G. Finney
:thumbsup: Thks for that link sis!
I also consider Preston Eby a very inspired commentator.

His commentary on Melchizedek is one of the longest and best I have seen.
I also like his "Abraham's bosom" study.
But like with any commentator, always Test them with the Scriptures :wave:

Kingdom Bible Studies Table of Contents

Hebrews 7:1 For this the Malkiy-Tsedeq King of Salem, Priest of the God/'El of the most-high, the together-joining Abraham turning-back from the smiting of the kings and blesses/euloghsaV <2127> (5660)him [Genesis 14:18/Matt 26:26]

Kindgdom Bible Studies Royal Priesthood Part 24
THE MELCHIZEDEK CONNECTION

One of the most intriguing descriptions of the unique character of the High Priesthood of Jesus is found in Heb. 7:17 wherein it is stated, "Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek."

This one grand statement shows that Jesus is not like any of the other priests who the people of Israel knew so much about. The entire seventh chapter of Hebrews is about THE MELCHIZEDEK CONNECTION,
 
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Be careful what you wish for.. or in this case pray for.. God just might grant it.
I am not afraid, for the Judge of all the earth WILL do right :)

Hebrews 12:7-10
It is for chastening that ye endure; God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father chasteneth not? But if ye are without chastening, whereof all have been made partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed good to them; but he for our profit, that we may be partakers of his holiness.
 
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I am not afraid, for the Judge of all the earth WILL do right............ :)
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According to Matt 19:28, those Apostles following Jesus till the "end" will be judging the 12 tribes of Israel. [12 tribes are mentioned in Revelation]

Of course "judas" lost his place on a throne me thinks, but who knows, and I won't speculate either way on that. Perhaps my bro Paul is sitting on one of them :wave:

Matthew 19:28 The yet Jesus said to them, "Amen I am saying to ye, that ye the ones-following to Me in the again-generation whenever should be seating the Son of the Man upon a throne of glory of Him shall be sitting also ye on twelve Thrones judging the twelve Tribes of the Israel.

Reve 20:4 And I saw Thrones and they are seated on them and judgement was given to them and the souls of the ones having been beheaded/executed because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the Word of the God
 
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