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[d taylor]

no, thats not what this is about. If you practice sin, or plan it, a habitual sin, then you are not saved. This apparently is a concept most on this forum dont get. I have had a heck of a time with this. You cannot keep committing the same sin day after day, year after year and be saved.

So the person who worries or the gossiper , the drunk can not be saved.

Want to support your belief by The Bible.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

1 john 3:6-9

 

[d taylor]

1 john 3:6-9

There is nothing in these verses about not being saved.

It does say Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. Are you trying to say to know Jesus is the same as not being saved. Knowing is as in a having a discipleship relation with Jesus.

Or are you saying He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning.

Well that can be said of Peter he sinned
But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

When a believer steps out of fellowship with God they may enter the world of the devil and can have sin become a problem in their life. But by no means are they not saved.

If have posted two good articles on this, so this will be my last post about this.

I am not advocating for a believer to keep sinning, but i do not agree that sin that is committed again and again, is an indicator that a person has never received God's free gift of Eternal Life.

Then you will have to discount the book of John (who also wrote 1 John, etc..) where it states many times. That when a person believes in The Messiah they have received God's free gift of Eternal Life.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I am not advocating for a believer to keep sinning, but i do not agree that sin that is committed again and again, is an indicator that a person has never received God's free gift of Eternal Life.

Then you will have to discount the book of John (who also wrote 1 John, etc..) where it states many times. That when a person believes in The Messiah they have received God's free gift of Eternal Life.

this is it exactly. Whenever john says you are of the devil, or not in the Light, he’s saying you arent saved. And yes, belief alone is not enough to be saved. James tells us this. Even the demons believe in Jesus, yet they are doomed for hell. You must be regenerated, habitual daily sin is a sign that you havent been regenerated.

 

[EmethAlethia]

I get that most people just want to live and do as they please and will not have God rule over them. It makes perfect sense.

Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

And it's not like anyone is not aware of the consequences that await them for it, as it says in verse 32.

For those wanting to be pleasing to God, it doesn't mean that issues don't crop up ... Yes, if you can do it, singleness is better ...

1Co 7:1 Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 But because of fornication, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband.

The touching in verse 1 is not shaking hands, or a kiss on the cheek, but the touching that leads to fornication(Illicit sexual intercourse) in verse 2. The reason for Christians to get married in the New Testament keys on that one specific issue ... controlling your hands and avoiding fornication. If you have self-control in that area, avoid even dating as having an issue is the only reason for putting yourself into a situation where it could occur.

1Co 7:5 Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

1Co 7:9 But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.


1Co 7:36 But if any man thinks that he is acting unbecomingly toward his virgin daughter, if she is past her youth, and if it must be so, let him do what he wishes, he does not sin; let her marry. 37 But he who stands firm in his heart, being under no constraint, but has authority over his own will, and has decided this in his own heart, to keep his own virgin daughter, he will do well.


If you have no issues, and if you are not tempted to commit fornication, avoid dating and situations where these situations can be created so you can be free to serve the Lord ... But one has the gift of Godly sexual desires, and others don't. Know your area of giftedness and avoid defrauding the opposite sex if you are not having issues with sexual desires. If you are, there is a godly outlet. Marriage.

One more thing ... if you get to the point of this touching, are inflaming those desires, and you get married because if you don't do so you will commit fornication if things continue, then you are getting married for the correct reasons... and if you do so, God says you have not sinned.

1Co 7:36 But if any man thinks that he is acting unbecomingly toward his virgin daughter, if she is past her youth, and if it must be so, let him do what he wishes, he does not sin; let her marry.

Sin is when we get to this point, and will commit fornication if we don't marry, and then just commit fornication refusing to marry them, defrauding the one we are with. we sin against God, against the other person and against our own bodies as well.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I get that most people just want to live and do as they please and will not have God rule over them. It makes perfect sense.

Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

And it's not like anyone is not aware of the consequences that await them for it, as it says in verse 32.

For those wanting to be pleasing to God, it doesn't mean that issues don't crop up ... Yes, if you can do it, singleness is better ...

1Co 7:1 Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 But because of fornication, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband.

The touching in verse 1 is not shaking hands, or a kiss on the cheek, but the touching that leads to fornication(Illicit sexual intercourse) in verse 2. The reason for Christians to get married in the New Testament keys on that one specific issue ... controlling your hands and avoiding fornication. If you have self-control in that area, avoid even dating as having an issue is the only reason for putting yourself into a situation where it could occur.

1Co 7:5 Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

1Co 7:9 But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.


1Co 7:36 But if any man thinks that he is acting unbecomingly toward his virgin daughter, if she is past her youth, and if it must be so, let him do what he wishes, he does not sin; let her marry. 37 But he who stands firm in his heart, being under no constraint, but has authority over his own will, and has decided this in his own heart, to keep his own virgin daughter, he will do well.


If you have no issues, and if you are not tempted to commit fornication, avoid dating and situations where these situations can be created so you can be free to serve the Lord ... But one has the gift of Godly sexual desires, and others don't. Know your area of giftedness and avoid defrauding the opposite sex if you are not having issues with sexual desires. If you are, there is a godly outlet. Marriage.

One more thing ... if you get to the point of this touching, are inflaming those desires, and you get married because if you don't do so you will commit fornication if things continue, then you are getting married for the correct reasons... and if you do so, God says you have not sinned.

1Co 7:36 But if any man thinks that he is acting unbecomingly toward his virgin daughter, if she is past her youth, and if it must be so, let him do what he wishes, he does not sin; let her marry.

Sin is when we get to this point, and will commit fornication if we don't marry, and then just commit fornication refusing to marry them, defrauding the one we are with. we sin against God, against the other person and against our own bodies as well.

what i have learned today, is that i have a disagreement with God concerning this matter. i understand He knows best, but i am simply unable to comply with either choice. this is where i am now trying to sort this out. i understand i am in rebellion to God, and i dont like that part, but for over 2 years now, i have tried to work this out. i have failed every time. this isnt an issue of faith, its about trying to repent when i cant.

 

[dogs4thewin]

What is your issue with marriage? Is it a legal issue in the secular sense? Is it fear of commitment? What?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

What is your issue with marriage? Is it a legal issue in the secular sense? Is it fear of commitment? What?

im not the marrying kind. I say that based off of past relationships, failed relationships that is. Me and my ex split up in 2006. I havent dated since, and i never will again. I simply just dont care to be tyed down. I like living on my own, free to do whatever i want. I live a very simple life. I dont want that to change.

 

[EmethAlethia]

2Co 7:8 For though I caused you sorrow by my letter, I do not regret it; though I did regret it--for I see that that letter caused you sorrow, though only for a while-- 9 I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us. 10 For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death. 11 For behold what earnestness this very thing, this godly sorrow, has produced in you: what vindication of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what longing, what zeal, what avenging of wrong! In everything you demonstrated yourselves to be innocent in the matter.

I can remember my parents leaving home on a Saturday morning having given me one job, i.e. get the dishes done before we get home. I was busy doing what I loved at the time, i.e. playing video games. It wasn't until I heard my parents pull into the driveway that getting the dishes was important to me at all. "I'm sorry mom and dad, I'm getting it done right now."

The truth was, I wasn't sorry at all. I just wanted to do what I wanted to do. It wasn't until I was facing consequences that obedience held any sway with me at all.

This is the sorrow of the world. I am sorry, but that doesn't motivate me to figure out and obey at this point in time. If I believe the consequences are imminent I will revisit the issue.

the repentance part that you refer to, that is the part that is the essential part for salvation. It is such a change of mind that it results in a complete alteration of course, i.e. it is so great a change in motivation and desire that it almost is as if you were born again, a new individual with new desires, a new focus, an absolute dedication to figuring out and doing what is right. It is that "repentance" that leads to salvation. the other sorrow results in death.

Are you earnest about doing everything you can to fix any areas of sin. Are you vindicating yourself, showing that there is no area where you are still falling short, are you indignant at the sin in your life, does your response prove a fear of God, does it prove you long to be right with Him, do you have a zeal for God to be clear of everything that is offensive to Him, are you doing everything in your power to correct the wrongs you have done, Have you demonstrated your victory in this matter.

He who is forgiven much loves much. If you love Me you will keep My commandments. If you do not understand the depths of your sin, the consequences you really deserve, the price Christ paid for you while you were yet His enemy and were hostile to Him, and do not believe you deserve hell, ... and believe it, you don't have forgiveness yet, so you don't love yet. Ergo, since you don't believe, you act in accordance with what you do believe. Everyone habitually acts in accordance with what they truly believe.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

2Co 7:8 For though I caused you sorrow by my letter, I do not regret it; though I did regret it--for I see that that letter caused you sorrow, though only for a while-- 9 I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us. 10 For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death. 11 For behold what earnestness this very thing, this godly sorrow, has produced in you: what vindication of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what longing, what zeal, what avenging of wrong! In everything you demonstrated yourselves to be innocent in the matter.

I can remember my parents leaving home on a Saturday morning having given me one job, i.e. get the dishes done before we get home. I was busy doing what I loved at the time, i.e. playing video games. It wasn't until I heard my parents pull into the driveway that getting the dishes was important to me at all. "I'm sorry mom and dad, I'm getting it done right now."

The truth was, I wasn't sorry at all. I just wanted to do what I wanted to do. It wasn't until I was facing consequences that obedience held any sway with me at all.

This is the sorrow of the world. I am sorry, but that doesn't motivate me to figure out and obey at this point in time. If I believe the consequences are imminent I will revisit the issue.

the repentance part that you refer to, that is the part that is the essential part for salvation. It is such a change of mind that it results in a complete alteration of course, i.e. it is so great a change in motivation and desire that it almost is as if you were born again, a new individual with new desires, a new focus, an absolute dedication to figuring out and doing what is right. It is that "repentance" that leads to salvation. the other sorrow results in death.

Are you earnest about doing everything you can to fix any areas of sin. Are you vindicating yourself, showing that there is no area where you are still falling short, are you indignant at the sin in your life, does your response prove a fear of God, does it prove you long to be right with Him, do you have a zeal for God to be clear of everything that is offensive to Him, are you doing everything in your power to correct the wrongs you have done, Have you demonstrated your victory in this matter.

He who is forgiven much loves much. If you love Me you will keep My commandments. If you do not understand the depths of your sin, the consequences you really deserve, the price Christ paid for you while you were yet His enemy and were hostile to Him, and do not believe you deserve hell, ... and believe it, you don't have forgiveness yet, so you don't love yet. Ergo, since you don't believe, you act in accordance with what you do believe. Everyone habitually acts in accordance with what they truly believe.

worldly sorrow… that is my issue. My disagreement with God. I think at this point, i have just accepted that im going to hell no matter what i do. Does that bother me? Yes and no. Im not gonna make excuses for my actions, and i know that me going to hell is what justice looks like. Im just tired of fighting a battle i know i cant ever win.

 

[Bob Crowley]

... i have tried and failed for the last couple of years. But i refuse to get married also. So whats a person to do in this situation??

Why do you refuse to get married?

I was talking to my old Protestant pastor at one time about the strength of the sexual urge, particularly in men. Not being female, I can't talk for them.

He replied "I know men who have been driven to marriage by it." That may not be the greatest grounds for marriage, and one would need to make sure other factors came into it (compatibility, religious belief etc.), but that was the only legitimate way they could get relief from their insistent sexual urge.

God made us. We can only do what we can. We're not supermen, and it's not given to all men to be celibate.

So I'll ask again, why do you refuse to get married?

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

Hello all, so one of my biggest habitual, unrepentant sins has been fornication. I watched a guy online talk about practicing sin, and in it, he talked about if you are single, and have decided to never get married, yet cannot be celibate, you have planned out a life of sin. This explained my situation perfectly. So if he’s right, and i never change from that, doesnt this mean i cant be saved?? Have i already opted to not receive salvation??
I have to admit, i have a hard time with this because i cannot be celibate… i have tried and failed for the last couple of years. But i refuse to get married also. So whats a person to do in this situation??

Letting the sin issue go for a minute, I really appreciate your HONESTY. I believe God does too. Most of us spend a lot of our lives lying to ourselves. We’re no better than you.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Why do you refuse to get married?

I was talking to my old Protestant pastor at one time about the strength of the sexual urge, particularly in men. Not being female, I can't talk for them.

He replied "I know men who have been driven to marriage by it." That may not be the greatest grounds for marriage, and one would need to make sure other factors came into it (compatibility, religious belief etc.), but that was the only legitimate way they could get relief from their insistent sexual urge.

God made us. We can only do what we can. We're not supermen, and it's not given to all men to be celibate.

So I'll ask again, why do you refuse to get married?

im not the marrying kind. I’ve always told myself i’d never get married. All my relationships have been disasters, i have no desire to get tyed down to someone i dont have strong emotions for. And i dont trust anyone enough to form an emotional bond with.