Nebraska Abortionist Vows To Train Others
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lawtonfogle
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I have always take the verse to mean that you will be held to the standard you hold others to. In other words, let say I go around saying that harming the body is extremely sinful, and that no one should smoke, drink, ect. Yet, I go around eating 3 cheeseburgers with a super sized fries and a liter of coke every meal (and I do not have a medical condition which requires 20,000 calories a day, some people do). I held others to the standard of being healthy and my actions will be held to that standard one day.
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lawtonfogle
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I have the feeling the average abortion doctor does not do 'life saving' treatments all that often. I would rather have people not get pregnant in the first place by way of contraception.
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lawtonfogle
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Quite a big statement to be making. I'll accept that life saving is the main reason for a third trimester, but I will not go as far as accepting every single one is life saving.
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The point is that causing the woman's fetus to miscarry is not seen as a murder, which is what the OP stated.
Rape is also not a murder. We have harsher penalties for it these days, certainly, but we don't consider it to be a murder either.
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lawtonfogle
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I have actually, due to it being brought up before, looked into the verse in question. I went back to the Hebrew, and tried to find out if it supported pro-life or pro-choice, and honestly, looking at the Hebrew, it was impossible for me to tell one way or the other. I have seen translations go both ways on it.
My own point is this, I don't think OT morality is even a decent standard to base our laws off of. Yeah, we might borrow the do not murder thing, but that is like saying we are like cats because we both eat. I would have probably said the same thing to the OP except it would be more productive for my bookcase to hear it -_-;.
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Jade Margery
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Lawton is right. Ideally, everyone should have access to safe, reliable birth control, and abortions would only be necessary in extreme cases.
Also right about the life saving. Most women aren't going to carry a baby for six to eight months before spontaneously deciding to kill it out of sudden malice. Usually, these abortions are needed because of a medical problem... hers, or the baby's. Plenty of children with serious genetic disorders live short, painful lives... I have heard that many of the non-life-threatened late term abortions are to prevent that. As always, I think it is not only the mother's choice, but the mother's responsibility, to decide if it is right for her to bring a child into the world.
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MoonLancer
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I find it highly ironic and sad that many of the same groups that call an abortionists baby killers are also the same ones that think contraception is wrong and try to prevent teenagers access to it
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I agree, I would much rather see contraception as a widespread practice. The issue is that for some reason a lot of people seem determined to keep at risk individuals ignorant of prophylactics and there safe and proper use. Apparently they believe that despite all evidence of how human nature works that trying to scare people into submission is the way to go.
Also, if you read the linked article it is talking specifically about training late term abortion doctors. While not all late term abortions are done to save the life of the mother a significant percentage are.
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lawtonfogle
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Well, you end up 'murdering' the potential child by not procreating...
Next thing you know, you will required by law to have sex... wait... maybe extreme-pro-life isn't all that bad
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MoonLancer
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Well, you end up 'murdering' the potential child by not procreating...
Next thing you know, you will required by law to have sex... wait... maybe extreme-pro-life isn't all that bad
If you don't have sex consistently you are always murdering potential children. Sperm only last so long inside the testicles. Eventually the are reabsorbed into the body. every time a lady has a period that's a potential lost child.
I couldn't tell if your were sarcastic or not in your post, but if you where being serious, the reality is that potential babies will be murdered regardless of birth control and contraception.
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Hi Hentenza,
If that is the Mod's criteria, thread closure seems the obvious choice. How does one avoid sarcasm/goading and discuss respectfully, when the OP itself is sarcastic/goading, and devoid of respect? Just how does one respectfully reply to;
Not possible. The Respect Well was poisoned from Post #1.
Thanks
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Dr. Carhart was just on CNN. I will try to get a video. Today, his office is being 'protested' by Pro-Choice people. Tomorrow, the Pro-Life protesters will be at his office.
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