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Nearly every voting bloc moved to the right in this election

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This graph from the Financial Times is quite interesting. Nearly every single voting bloc moved to the right, some substantially so. This is really going to throw a monkey wrench into the narrative that it was just racist, misogynistic bigotry that gave Trump the White House for a second term.

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Ever since Donald J. Trump arrived on the political scene in 2015, elites have claimed his rise signals the last gasp of a dying white-majority America alarmed by cultural and demographic shifts. This was always a kind of security blanket—an excuse to ignore uncomfortable truths.
If Tuesday’s election results do not demolish that cope once and for all, we’re not sure what will. Because look at the results: Trump made big gains among almost every demographic group: Latinos (45 percent went for Trump—a history-making number for a Republican presidential candidate), African Americans (13 percent voted Trump compared to 8 percent in 2020), Asians (39 percent), women (46 percent), the young (46 percent).
The only group Kamala Harris made gains with was white college-educated women and those over 65.
 
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Ever since Donald J. Trump arrived on the political scene in 2015, elites have claimed his rise signals the last gasp of a dying white-majority America alarmed by cultural and demographic shifts. This was always a kind of security blanket—an excuse to ignore uncomfortable truths.
If Tuesday’s election results do not demolish that cope once and for all, we’re not sure what will. Because look at the results: Trump made big gains among almost every demographic group: Latinos (45 percent went for Trump—a history-making number for a Republican presidential candidate), African Americans (13 percent voted Trump compared to 8 percent in 2020), Asians (39 percent), women (46 percent), the young (46 percent).
The only group Kamala Harris made gains with was white college-educated women and those over 65.
I doubt this will affect the left’s narrative.
 
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Well I never much cared for white college women anyway...but...

Probably won't happen in my lifetime, but it will be nice when the day comes when we don't see skin colors as "voting blocs", and just see people as people.
 
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They lost everything, they’re devastated. Be very scared for 2028.
Trump could buy 4 years of goodwill at the cost of massive additional debt.

Short of that, I dont expect any special magic that will have people feeling happy happy in 2028. And those in power will pay the price, as they are right now.
 
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They lost everything, they’re devastated. Be very scared for 2028.
Why so negative? Trump is elected with a majority GOP Congress. Surely by 2028 there the US will be in great shape.
 
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Why so negative? Trump is elected with a majority GOP Congress. Surely by 2028 there the US will be in great shape.
They may come back with a vengeance.
 
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Well I never much cared for white college women anyway...but...

Probably won't happen in my lifetime, but it will be nice when the day comes when we don't see skin colors as "voting blocs", and just see people as people.
Amen!
 
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Probably won't happen in my lifetime, but it will be nice when the day comes when we don't see skin colors as "voting blocs", and just see people as people.
This ideal is really only possible to hold for someone who visibly belongs to the dominant group. Things like aversive racism and structural racism are very real things, and they create the perception in visible minorities of living in a hostile culture that people who aren't part of a group marginalized for a visible difference won't understand. This changes voting behavior by creating a solidarity on the basis of that visible element that leads to their marginalization.
 
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This ideal is really only possible to hold for someone who visibly belongs to the dominant group. Things like aversive racism and structural racism are very real things, and they create the perception in visible minorities of living in a hostile culture that people who aren't part of a group marginalized for a visible difference won't understand. This changes voting behavior by creating a solidarity on the basis of that visible element that leads to their marginalization.
How do you know which group @Chesterton belongs to? You are just making an assumption. Speaking of being marginalized nothing like being thought of as a voting block to make you feel that way
 
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How do you know which group @Chesterton belongs to? You are just making an assumption.
An inference is not an assumption, and the inference is based on the ideal stated. Being able to be treated as an individual is a privilege that a lot of people don't understand is a privilege, especially if they don't belong to a marginalized group.
 
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An inference is not an assumption, and the inference is based on the ideal stated. Being able to be treated as an individual is a privilege that a lot of people don't understand is a privilege, especially if they don't belong to a marginalized group.
You know, I was totally with you in that thread about free will, but I have no idea what you're going on about in your last two posts in this thread. :)
 
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You know, I was totally with you in that thread about free will, but I have no idea what you're going on about in your last two posts in this thread. :)
The "treat people as people" ideal you mentioned in the first post I quoted IMO doesn't deal with the realities of a heterogenous culture. It would be a great ideal if possible, but the reality of life in a country like the US often makes it impossible and instead it simply serves to dismiss real problems people are facing and is ultimately insensitive. What it does is exacerbate the problem of identity politics, because the people that identity politics is being sold to recognize that the problems identity politics attempts to solve are real problems. If conservatives want to make headway with minorities, we've got to acknowledge the reality of marginalization and come up with real solutions not simply resort to impossible ideals.
 
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An inference is not an assumption, and the inference is based on the ideal stated. Being able to be treated as an individual is a privilege that a lot of people don't understand is a privilege, especially if they don't belong to a marginalized group.
Nothing more marginalizing than being considered nothing but a voting block. You wouldn’t understand that though if you’re not part of that group
 
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The "treat people as people" ideal you mentioned in the first post I quoted IMO doesn't deal with the realities of a heterogenous culture. It would be a great ideal if possible, but the reality of life in a country like the US often makes it impossible and instead it simply serves to dismiss real problems people are facing and is ultimately insensitive. What it does is exacerbate the problem of identity politics, because the people that identity politics is being sold to recognize that the problems identity politics attempts to solve are real problems. If conservatives want to make headway with minorities, we've got to acknowledge the reality of marginalization and come up with real solutions not simply resort to impossible ideals.
Okay, well, if you don't mind I'm going to continue to treat people as people as I've done my whole life. I treat dogs as dogs, I treat people as people. Politics has never really entered into it.
 
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Okay, well, if you don't mind I'm going to continue to treat people as people as I've done my whole life. I treat dogs as dogs, I treat people as people. Politics has never really entered into it.
Politics enters into everything, as all social exchanges involve some sort of power dynamic. Though like I said, the issue with the sentiment of "treat people as people" is it fails to recognize structural problems that restrict access to employment, housing, education, and other aspects of public life based on visible characteristics. The dismissiveness adds fuel to the leftist agenda because even though their solution infantilizes these groups at least they recognize the problems that these groups face. The reality is that we all have hidden biases and prejudices, and the only way to truly engage people as individuals is to actively confront those biases rather than dismissing them. So what I am getting at is not that we shouldn't to the best of our ability treat each person as an individual, but that we cannot be so casual in believing we are doing so.
 
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Nothing more marginalizing than being considered nothing but a voting block. You wouldn’t understand that though if you’re not part of that group
oh? that's why African Americans vote 80-90% the same as each other? The voting solidarity leads being identified as a voting block, the challenge is explaining what the dynamics are that create the voting block and what their common interests are.
 
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