Navy Seal Warns Against Transgendering the Kids

[rjs330]

I'll refrain from asserting it was proven in a different thread, and playing games like "
Have you not participated in any of the threads? I guess I shouldn't expect you to remember everything.
But if you doubt maybe you should go take a look. "

Bullet 5 from the list of symptoms here, for example Gender Dysphoria

You know your source proves my point not the point of what the brain expects to see.

From the source.

People with gender dysphoria feel that the sex they were assigned at birth does not match the gender with which they identify.

You I've read all about this. I'm not ignorant in any way. There is a mental illness involved. The brain doesnt expect to see anything. It's all about what you feel like you identify with.

The bullet point is about your feelings. It's not about what you expect to see. It's about not being satisfied with your body because you feel you identify as a different sex.

There is no way to show the brain expects to see a gulva instead of a penis.

It's not like you look down and say "woahz wait, there is supposed to be vulva there. Tlwhat is a prnia doing there." It's a patently silly statement.

You see what you see. What you feel about what you see is different.

Name one other thing where the brain expects to see something else on your body besides what's there already.

This is totally a mental health issue and need to be dealt with psychologically with children.

And since we agree that kids shouldn't have surgeries or chemicals to alter them then there is nothing more to discuss.

 

[Zoii]

Chris Beck formerly known as Kristen Beck was a Navy Seal who transitioned to female. He became famous and was touted by the LGBTQ crowd as a great example, a hero. Now he's detransitioning back to being a male.

He's now speaking out against transitioning kids. Having lived through the process of transitioning he is an important voice to be heard. He has not said anything derogatory about trans people, but the ideology of the willingness of doctors and psychologists to label a kid transgender and start pumping the.full.of drugs and give them surgeries. He said this.

"Everything that happened to me for the last ten years destroyed my life. I destroyed my life. I’m not a victim. I did this to myself, but I had help.”

“I take full responsibility,” he continued. “I went on CNN and everything else, and that’s why I’m here right now, I’m trying to correct that.

I was used … I was very naive, I was in a really bad way, and I got taken advantage of. I got propagandized. I got used badly by a lot of people who had knowledge way beyond me. They knew what they were doing. I didn’t,” he said during the interview. "

Beck is warning against transitioning the kids. If adults are going through this it's one thing. Like he said he did it to himself. He had help from psychologists who thought they were doing the right thing. This is the insidiousness of the current thought. And there are many adults in this same circumstance. There are many de-teansitioning sites on the web of those who are going through this. It's one thing for adults to do this and take responsibility but it's another thing entirely to do this to kids who are depending on the adults in their lives to do the right thing and help them to make the right decision.

Now we have those who are de-transitioning who are warning against transitioning kids. We even have kids now who want to sue do to parents and doctors transitioning them.

Slow down is the message. Kids should not be transitioned.

Redirect Notice

Chloe Cole is suing her parents for transition her.

WATCH: Former transgender child suing doctors who mutilated her for malpractice

Chloe Cole, an 18-year-old woman, is suing the doctors she claims coerced her into harmful gender transition procedures in the name of affirmation when

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Are we going to learn or are we going to create a generation of kids who are angry and frustrated at society, parents, doctor's etc for creating a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Each child should be considered individually. There's no blanket rule on such a complex issue. The fact one guy had a certain experience, doesn't equate to the rule of thumb.

 

[KCfromNC]

I can't help but noting you want everyone else to do the work for you.

No, just people who make claims and then run away rather than provide reasons to think those claims are anything other than made up.

 

[KCfromNC]

You know your source proves my point not the point of what the brain expects to see.

From the source.

People with gender dysphoria feel that the sex they were assigned at birth does not match the gender with which they identify.

Yep, almost like they expect to see something different than what they do when they look at their bodies or something.

You I've read all about this. I'm not ignorant in any way. There is a mental illness involved.

Interesting assertions. I wonder where the evidence for them might be found, if anywhere.

 

[rjs330]

Each child should be considered individually. There's no blanket rule on such a complex issue. The fact one guy had a certain experience, doesn't equate to the rule of thumb.

It's not just one guy. You're minimizing

 

[rjs330]

No, just people who make claims and then run away rather than provide reasons to think those claims are anything other than made up.

Yes I made a claim that is perfectly valid. I are free to disregard it. What I've discovered is simple.

Around here you make a valid claim. Someone says prove it. You spend time searching for the evidence and post it. Then the other person either dismisses it or ignores it.

This one I'm not willing to do the work for you.

 

[rjs330]

Yep, almost like they expect to see something different than what they do when they look at their bodies or something.



Interesting assertions. I wonder where the evidence for them might be found, if anywhere.

Well let's see if anything in this says a thing about what the brain expects to see.

marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics (or in young adolescents, the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
A strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with one’s experienced/expressed gender (or in young adolescents, a desire to prevent the development of the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender
A strong desire to be of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
A strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
A strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender

Hmmm....

Desire, experience are the key words. A conviction based on feelings and reactions. Not a thing about what the brain EXPECTS to see regarding their genitals. But I expect you will ignore that and double down on something that is not stated anywhere.

Well the assertions were true until the DSMV came out. Gender dysphoria is still there. But for some reason they decided not to label it a mental illness anymore. If we only knew why cause the why is important. Well it's a good thing we can know why. It's because if pressure put upon the community to consider the human rights and feelings of the transfender community. Yes it wasn't because suddenly after all these years it stopped being a mental illness. It was because the psychiatric community decided they wanted to remove the stigma of it. Let's see what is said about this.

"Yet, we must understand that as long as transgender identities are understood through a “disease” framework, transgender people will suffer from unnecessary abuse and discrimination from both inside and outside the medical profession. As long as gender variance is characterized by the medical field as a mental condition, transgender people will find their identities invalidated by claims that they are “mentally ill,” and therefore not able to speak objectively about their own identities and lived experiences. This has even been used to justify discrimination against transgender people, such as in child custody cases, discrimination in hiring/workplace practices, or justifying them to be mentally unfit to serve in the military."

It's all about how people feel and not about the illness itself.

But like I have said, if adults want to do it that's fine. They are adults and will have to deal with the consequences of their actions themselves as the OP shows.

And as we agree that kids shouldn't be undergoing transformation then that is good. We might disagree on transgenderism in general, but we agree on kids. That's what is most important.

 

[Pommer]

Well let's see if anything in this says a thing about what the brain expects to see.

Here’s a quick overview, it’s from the Mayo Clinic, and might be biased towards the science, so caveat emptor, I guess.

 

[rjs330]

Here’s a quick overview, it’s from the Mayo Clinic, and might be biased towards the science, so caveat emptor, I guess.

I don't know if you read a lot of this but it says right in that article:

Research in these areas is extremely limited, and more research needs to be done to find conclusive results,” Dr. Altinay notes. “But we’re already seeing definite trends.”

They are trends, maybe. But nothing conclusive.

Further more the studies of hey link to are sexual studies and erotica. The other one deals with "queers" and recognizing people's feelings.

There is still nothing there that states a brain expects to see a vulva instead of a penis.

It's already been established that up to 80% of kids desist from being trans. A few of them realize they were gay.

If you are a male and are attracted to another male you are gay.

This says nothing about the claim on what the brain expects to see.

 

[Pommer]

There is still nothing there that states a brain expects to see a vulva instead of a penis.

About 40 years ago I watched two friends ruin an entirely (otherwise) delightful weekend in the mountains arguing over whether a golf ball that veers is a slice or a curve.

In this present case, you’ve taken my layperson’s explanation of the bodily mechanics of people who are transgender and now demand to see that explanation in the scientific literature. I’ll stipulate that that exact phasing won’t be found.

What we do know, is that the body gets its sex differentiation (penis/vulva) at a few weeks’ gestation, before the brain is much more than a group of stem cells, and the brain almost always gets “wired” to match the genitalia; sometimes, (about 0.06%), the brain is wired “differently”.

Whether you agree with this or not is not germane to these folks’ lives.

 

[rjs330]

About 40 years ago I watched two friends ruin an entirely (otherwise) delightful weekend in the mountains arguing over whether a golf ball that veers is a slice or a curve.

In this present case, you’ve taken my layperson’s explanation of the bodily mechanics of people who are transgender and now demand to see that explanation in the scientific literature. I’ll stipulate that that exact phasing won’t be found.

What we do know, is that the body gets its sex differentiation (penis/vulva) at a few weeks’ gestation, before the brain is much more than a group of stem cells, and the brain almost always gets “wired” to match the genitalia; sometimes, (about 0.06%), the brain is wired “differently”.

Whether you agree with this or not is not germane to these folks’ lives.

There is an extreme lack of any kind of studies that support that kind of assertion. That it's all brain wiring. If so why do so many kids desist if left alone. If it's all about wiring that just doesn't suddenly go away. Other disorders like schizophrenia or bi-polar disorders? Maybe delusional disorders etc? Yes mental illnesses are brain disorders where wiring in the brain goes off the rails. Besides there are no long term studies and a lack of them to boot to support that assertion.

What about the kids whose mental health isn't that severe? The ones that desist?

Let's take a look how this is taught is schools shall we? Schools are not teaching anything about brain writing or anything if that nature. They are simply teaching kids that there is a sliding scale if genders identity and gender expression. Nothing is mentioned about .06%. The whole gender unicorn is a strong example of this. There was a school that was caught after the fact teaching 3rd graders that they could take pills to stop puberty and have their genitalia removed. No mention of 06% or brain wiring or any scientific information about this.

Why? Cause the science on this is non-existent really.

Leave the kids alone.

 

[mindlight]

Chris Beck formerly known as Kristen Beck was a Navy Seal who transitioned to female. He became famous and was touted by the LGBTQ crowd as a great example, a hero. Now he's detransitioning back to being a male.

He's now speaking out against transitioning kids. Having lived through the process of transitioning he is an important voice to be heard. He has not said anything derogatory about trans people, but the ideology of the willingness of doctors and psychologists to label a kid transgender and start pumping the.full.of drugs and give them surgeries. He said this.

"Everything that happened to me for the last ten years destroyed my life. I destroyed my life. I’m not a victim. I did this to myself, but I had help.”

“I take full responsibility,” he continued. “I went on CNN and everything else, and that’s why I’m here right now, I’m trying to correct that.

I was used … I was very naive, I was in a really bad way, and I got taken advantage of. I got propagandized. I got used badly by a lot of people who had knowledge way beyond me. They knew what they were doing. I didn’t,” he said during the interview. "

Beck is warning against transitioning the kids. If adults are going through this it's one thing. Like he said he did it to himself. He had help from psychologists who thought they were doing the right thing. This is the insidiousness of the current thought. And there are many adults in this same circumstance. There are many de-teansitioning sites on the web of those who are going through this. It's one thing for adults to do this and take responsibility but it's another thing entirely to do this to kids who are depending on the adults in their lives to do the right thing and help them to make the right decision.

Now we have those who are de-transitioning who are warning against transitioning kids. We even have kids now who want to sue do to parents and doctors transitioning them.

Slow down is the message. Kids should not be transitioned.

Redirect Notice

Chloe Cole is suing her parents for transition her.

WATCH: Former transgender child suing doctors who mutilated her for malpractice

Chloe Cole, an 18-year-old woman, is suing the doctors she claims coerced her into harmful gender transition procedures in the name of affirmation when

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Are we going to learn or are we going to create a generation of kids who are angry and frustrated at society, parents, doctor's etc for creating a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Beck was a brave man as a Navy Seal, maybe even a brave man to become a woman against the background of such a macho culture, but his bravest act is to confess in humility and indeed brokenness that he was wrong and that he is trying to find his way back. Navy Seals would not give as many chances to their targets as he is getting from God to make things right. This sounds like the story of man on his way from a killing machine to a truer picture of his humanity. Away from a culture of toxic masculinity and toward being a true man of God. At least that is my prayer for him.

 

[Pommer]

There is an extreme lack of any kind of studies that support that kind of assertion. That it's all brain wiring. If so why do so many kids desist if left alone. If it's all about wiring that just doesn't suddenly go away. Other disorders like schizophrenia or bi-polar disorders? Maybe delusional disorders etc? Yes mental illnesses are brain disorders where wiring in the brain goes off the rails. Besides there are no long term studies and a lack of them to boot to support that assertion.

What about the kids whose mental health isn't that severe? The ones that desist?

Let's take a look how this is taught is schools shall we? Schools are not teaching anything about brain writing or anything if that nature. They are simply teaching kids that there is a sliding scale if genders identity and gender expression. Nothing is mentioned about .06%. The whole gender unicorn is a strong example of this. There was a school that was caught after the fact teaching 3rd graders that they could take pills to stop puberty and have their genitalia removed. No mention of 06% or brain wiring or any scientific information about this.

Why? Cause the science on this is non-existent really.

Leave the kids alone.

We seem to disagree on the best course of action for people who find themselves to be transgender.
This is par for the course.
Both sides claim that they’d like to minimize trauma to these folk.
While intensive psychotherapy might help some, eventual surgeries will help others.

The well-founded assertion that there are very few (no?) “long term studies” coupled with a desire to never have anyone who identifies as transgender to receive chemical/surgical treatments for their condition, would likely mean that there’d never be enough data to conduct a long term study.

Please enjoy your day.

 

[Margaret3110]

The whole gender unicorn is a strong example of this. There was a school that was caught after the fact teaching 3rd graders that they could take pills to stop puberty and have their genitalia removed. No mention of 06% or brain wiring or any scientific information about this.

I had to look up the gender unicorn. Are they really teaching this to kids that young?

One thing I don't understand is why we supposedly have to totally overhaul our understanding of sex and gender in order to accommodate a small minority of individuals.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

One thing I don't understand is why we supposedly have to totally overhaul our understanding of sex and gender in order to accommodate a small minority of individuals.

I don't get this logic. Are we just supposed to pretend that they don't exist?

And if it makes it easier, you can think of it as not a "total overhaul," but rather an expanded understanding. Because that's really what it is.

 

[Margaret3110]

I don't get this logic. Are we just supposed to pretend that they don't exist?

And if it makes it easier, you can think of it as not a "total overhaul," but rather an expanded understanding. Because that's really what it is.

I mean the idea that there are an infinite number of genders or something. That gender has no correspondence to biological sex whatsoever.

For MOST people their gender does correspond to their biological sex. Those that don't are exceptions. They are valid, and should be accepted, but they are still a minority. Why is this controversial?

 

[rjs330]

We seem to disagree on the best course of action for people who find themselves to be transgender.
This is par for the course.
Both sides claim that they’d like to minimize trauma to these folk.
While intensive psychotherapy might help some, eventual surgeries will help others.

The well-founded assertion that there are very few (no?) “long term studies” coupled with a desire to never have anyone who identifies as transgender to receive chemical/surgical treatments for their condition, would likely mean that there’d never be enough data to conduct a long term study.

Please enjoy your day.

We do disagree. However as I've stated many times adults are free to do as they choose. This is about kids and kids alone.

Are you for transgendering children with drugs and surgeries?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I mean the idea that there are an infinite number of genders or something. That gender has no correspondence to biological sex whatsoever.

While I'm sure there are some people who think this, it is not a scientifically accurate position.

For MOST people their gender does correspond to their biological sex. Those that don't are exceptions. They are valid, and should be accepted, but they are still a minority. Why is this controversial?

Outside of the depths of Tumblr, that's not a controversial viewpoint.

 

[Margaret3110]

While I'm sure there are some people who think this, it is not a scientifically accurate position.


Outside of the depths of Tumblr, that's not a controversial viewpoint.

My question came from looking online at materials that are, I guess, being promoted for teaching children about gender identity. I'm not sure if these materials are actually being used in schools though. It seems they are teaching sex and gender as completely disconnected things. I understand that is the trans experience but it is NOT most people's experience.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

My question came from looking online at materials that are, I guess, being promoted for teaching children about gender identity. I'm not sure if these materials are actually being used in schools though. It seems they are teaching sex and gender as completely disconnected things. I understand that is the trans experience but it is NOT most people's experience.

Without seeing those materials and knowing exactly where/how they're being used, it's hard for me to make any judgement on them. There's clearly some level of disconnect between sex and gender because trans and intersex individuals exist, but given their extreme minority, it definitely isn't a complete disconnect either. I don't know that there has been enough research done at this point to determine where that disconnect lies or how large it is though.