Navy Seal Warns Against Transgendering the Kids

[Margaret3110]

Without seeing those materials and knowing exactly where/how they're being used, it's hard for me to make any judgement on them.

A google search will turn up materials made by trans organizations. But I don't really know how they are being used either.

 

[Zoii]

It's not just one guy. You're minimizing

The OP focussed on the testimony of ONE guy

 

[Diamond72]

He's now speaking out against transitioning kids.

It may not be so bad to neuter them. The problem is when you give them hormones to try to change their sex. I see nothing healthy about that. The Bible refers to that as witchcraft or Sorcery. (pharmakeia)

 

[Zoii]

It may not be so bad to neuter them. The problem is when you give them hormones to try to change their sex. I see nothing healthy about that. The Bible refers to that as witchcraft or Sorcery. (pharmakeia)

Oh cmon - you calling these kids witches - This site knows no end to its paranoid statements

 

[rjs330]

The OP focussed on the testimony of ONE guy

I also listed another that has been vocal. How many do you want me to post?

 

[rjs330]

Oh cmon - you calling these kids witches - This site knows no end to its paranoid statements

He's not calling the kids witches. The word pharmakeia is a Greek word referring to drugs and sorceries which often including drugs and potions etc in it's use. The idea here is drugs are being used to alter the healthy body that was not biologically intended to be that way.

 

[Zoii]

He's not calling the kids witches. The word pharmakeia is a Greek word referring to drugs and sorceries which often including drugs and potions etc in it's use. The idea here is drugs are being used to alter the healthy body that was not biologically intended to be that way.

Although I disagree with your view of the world, I can accept an intellectual viewpoint. That said, Im sure you realise that not everyone views the matter in the intellectual way you have - many here, would acknowledge the biblical reference and simply say that these kids are toying with witchcraft. Their not - there are kids that genuinely identify wth a gender they weren't born with. Christians may scorn that, but it has been happening since recorded history.

I feel particularly aggrieved with fundamentalist Christian views, for those children born with genetic sexual chromosomes eg XXY, where the child presents with dysmorphic genitals and physicality. I find the judgements pronounced and rocks thrown by the Christian community to be rather tiresome and wish if they could walk a day in these children's shoes.

 

[rjs330]

Although I disagree with your view of the world, I can accept an intellectual viewpoint. That said, Im sure you realise that not everyone views the matter in the intellectual way you have - many here, would acknowledge the biblical reference and simply say that these kids are toying with witchcraft. Their not - there are kids that genuinely identify wth a gender they weren't born with. Christians may scorn that, but it has been happening since recorded history.

I feel particularly aggrieved with fundamentalist Christian views, for those children born with genetic sexual chromosomes eg XXY, where the child presents with dysmorphic genitals and physicality. I find the judgements pronounced and rocks thrown by the Christian community to be rather tiresome and wish if they could walk a day in these children's shoes.

In these thread we are not talking about deformities or birth defects. We are very compassionate towards those who are born with those kinds of defects. In fact the scientific community recognizes those folks as male with a defect. It's NOT the same thing as transgenderism.

We are talking about children being convinced and experimented on due to either a mental disorder or a social disorder. It's not the kids that are the issue. It's the ADULTS who are doing this to kids that are.

We are not scorning the disorder. We are compassionate to those that are going through it. Like every other mental health disorder.

What we are against is the trans activists who are pursuing pushing kids and adults into transitioning when it's so obviously detrimental to them.

Especially children. It's diabolical what they are doing to kids.

 

[Zoii]

In these thread we are not talking about deformities or birth defects. We are very compassionate towards those who are born with those kinds of defects. In fact the scientific community recognizes those folks as male with a defect. It's NOT the same thing as transgenderism.

We are talking about children being convinced and experimented on due to either a mental disorder or a social disorder. It's not the kids that are the issue. It's the ADULTS who are doing this to kids that are.

We are not scorning the disorder. We are compassionate to those that are going through it. Like every other mental health disorder.

What we are against is the trans activists who are pursuing pushing kids and adults into transitioning when it's so obviously detrimental to them.

Especially children. It's diabolical what they are doing to kids.

If you are genuine then you should talk to just one of the parents of these children, Its a myth that parents PUSH a child to change their gender. Parents (loving ones at least) want the best possible life for their kids. Your average hard working parent confronted by a child who wants to be another gender, isn't pushing that agenda and to call these parents diabolical for throwing their hands in the air and saying - what on earth do we do here. - So, they explore the options and interests of the child and of course face the bullying and criticisms of "good christians" who have no idea of the ordeals face by the child and their parents - they just throw a rock )albeit the rock is thrown with compassion as you suggest) . I've found way more christains to be diabolical in their views on women, sexual health, and even public health. But I have never heard of a parent enforcing a trans process upon their child that hasnt, since a very young age, expressed and presented as another gender.

Instead of throwing stones and calling them names like "diabolical", make the effort to talk to at least one of these parents and listen to the difficult parenting decisions they have faced.

 

[rjs330]

If you are genuine then you should talk to just one of the parents of these children, Its a myth that parents PUSH a child to change their gender. Parents (loving ones at least) want the best possible life for their kids. Your average hard working parent confronted by a child who wants to be another gender, isn't pushing that agenda and to call these parents diabolical for throwing their hands in the air and saying - what on earth do we do here. - So, they explore the options and interests of the child and of course face the bullying and criticisms of "good christians" who have no idea of the ordeals face by the child and their parents - they just throw a rock )albeit the rock is thrown with compassion as you suggest) . I've found way more christains to be diabolical in their views on women, sexual health, and even public health. But I have never heard of a parent enforcing a trans process upon their child that hasnt, since a very young age, expressed and presented as another gender.

Instead of throwing stones and calling them names like "diabolical", make the effort to talk to at least one of these parents and listen to the difficult parenting decisions they have faced.

This entire rant is so far off I don't know where to start. I never said parents push their kids, although some have. There have been some parents who DID push their kids into being trans.

However most don't. I don't blame parents by and large I blame the teams activists. The schools, the counselors the pediatricians etc. They are diabolical in their activism. I blame the states the legislatures the judges the Family Services for being diabolical.

Most parents are just following what they say. They just want to help their child and everyone is pushing the child to transition and telling the poor parents that is what they must do to "save their child". It's psychological blackmail. And it's evil.

My best friend has a trans child. He and I talked about it and I know what he went through with her. It was a real struggle. But like so many parents he was afraid and listened to the trans activists. And his daughter is now his son. Yes and we are still best friends.

There have been many tales of schools transing children. Or pediatricians, psychologists. In Canada they took away Rob Hooglands daughter. In Washington they threatened to take away "Ahmed's" autistic son if he didn't let him transition. He had to quit his job and move to a state that respected his parental rights. An American man was forced to flee oppression not from some foreign land but within America itself. The story ends well and his son is fine. Yes it IS diabolical.

Especially when you look at the number of kids who detransition.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

However, there is growing concern among many doctors and other healthcare professionals as to whether this is, in fact, the best way to proceed for those under aged 18, in particular, with several countries pulling back on medical treatment and instead emphasizing psychotherapy first.

Correct, several other countries (including ones that are far more progressive than we are on any number of other issues) have tried to pump the breaks a bit with regards to early prescribing of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones.

That's not to say that the conservative side is exempt from criticism with regards to how some of them have wanted to handle the situation of gender dysphoria and certain matters involving transgendered individuals.

But on the specific facet of the conversation regarding the prescribing of puberty blockers to young people prior to doing extensive psychotherapy first, that's an area where they've been validated/vindicated as evidenced by, as you mentioned, several other progressive countries realizing that they jumped the gun a bit and deciding to pull back.


Now, I suspect that even if the US did follow suit with the European countries... certain staunch conservatives would still take issue with the practice even after extensive psychotherapy has taken place and due diligence was done.

That's where, in the interest of clarity, if conservative folks in the US oppose the practice no matter the circumstance and no matter how much therapy was done prior, they should be honest and up front about that and not try to make it about "they're rushing the process before psychotherapy was done", because if we do follow suit with Sweden, and 2-3 years of intensive counseling doesn't address the issue and then the meds are prescribed, and then conservative still take issue with it, then we're not solving anything by one side advocating for the Sweden approach (if they're just going to reject the Sweden approach in 2 years)

I'd prefer society not waste everyone's time for two years, and just have the real, no-nonsense conversation now, rather than both sides tip-toeing and constantly moving goalposts.

 

[rjs330]

Correct, several other countries (including ones that are far more progressive than we are on any number of other issues) have tried to pump the breaks a bit with regards to early prescribing of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones.

That's not to say that the conservative side is exempt from criticism with regards to how some of them have wanted to handle the situation of gender dysphoria and certain matters involving transgendered individuals.

But on the specific facet of the conversation regarding the prescribing of puberty blockers to young people prior to doing extensive psychotherapy first, that's an area where they've been validated/vindicated as evidenced by, as you mentioned, several other progressive countries realizing that they jumped the gun a bit and deciding to pull back.


Now, I suspect that even if the US did follow suit with the European countries... certain staunch conservatives would still take issue with the practice even after extensive psychotherapy has taken place and due diligence was done.

That's where, in the interest of clarity, if conservative folks in the US oppose the practice no matter the circumstance and no matter how much therapy was done prior, they should be honest and up front about that and not try to make it about "they're rushing the process before psychotherapy was done", because if we do follow suit with Sweden, and 2-3 years of intensive counseling doesn't address the issue and then the meds are prescribed, and then conservative still take issue with it, then we're not solving anything by one side advocating for the Sweden approach (if they're just going to reject the Sweden approach in 2 years)

I'd prefer society not waste everyone's time for two years, and just have the real, no-nonsense conversation now, rather than both sides tip-toeing and constantly moving goalposts.

The you are right when it comes to kids. There should be zero transing of any child under 18. Once 18 hits as a legal adult you can kind of do what you want cause you have to deal with the consequences of your own actions.

I think an argument could be made that even 18 year olds should be doing it. I mean how many 18 year olds really regret decisions made that young. But they are legal adults.