Navy Seal Warns Against Transgendering the Kids

[RocksInMyHead]

The more they do the more they make from the taxpayers.

...do you think that doctors are paid on commission?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

That tells us that the drugs and surgeries are actually preventing kids for desisting cause it's too late. It tells us that those same kids would most likely desist if not given the drugs or surgeries.

It absolutely does not tell us that. That's certainly one possible explanation for the trend, but the far more likely explanation is that counseling prevents the vast majority of those who don't need surgery or hormone treatment from getting it. In order for your supposition to be true, you'd first have to demonstrate how the drugs and surgeries would prevent people from desisting. Studies already cover feelings of regret over the transition process, so the idea that it's "too late" isn't relevant.

 

[rjs330]

That makes sense and fits more with what I've observed.

This is a growing phenomenon. More and more people are starting to realize that they were pushed into transitioning. This is particularly dangerous for kids.

However, there is growing concern among many doctors and other healthcare professionals as to whether this is, in fact, the best way to proceed for those under aged 18, in particular, with several countries pulling back on medical treatment and instead emphasizing psychotherapy first.

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[rambot]

That's just not shown to be true. Take a look at Canada. Hospitals and doctors still get paid just by the taxpayers. They get money to do the transitioning so why would they stop?

The more they do the more they make from the taxpayers. What happens is typically is there are fewer doctors available to perform these surgeries and people will have to wait until one is available and may have to travel. There is still money to be made at this. It's just not made the same way. The more patients they have in social medicine the more money they get from the taxpayer.

Doctors and Canada, do not think like American doctors; most of them are not NEARLY as profit motivated. I have heard of many US doctors coming to Canada because they just want to focus on caring for people. They are still paid well but the focus is on CARE, not profit.
To be clear there are some for profit doctors and they tend to operate private clinics; can't deny that. But generally, our system is not stacked with folks trying to get RICH.

 

[rjs330]

De-transitioning is growing and previous studies on this idea are deeply flawed. They are extremely misleading.

Misinformation About Regret
Many physicians quote a 1% regret rate. This statistic is based on The Amsterdam Cohort of Gender Dysphoria Study (1972-2015): Trends in Prevalence, Treatment, and Regrets. This study had significant limitations and cannot be used as a baseline for the current cohort:

All study participants were adults and those who had significant pre-pubescent gender dysphoria.
Definition of “regret” excludes most detransitioners. The study included:
ONLY those who had their testes or ovaries removed
ONLY those who resumed natal sex hormones
ONLY those who returned to original medical provider — most don’t inform their original provider that they detransitioned
The study DID NOT INCLUDE:
those who committed suicide or those who died as a result of gender treatment complications
those who regret puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, mastectomy or breast augmentation
20% were lost to follow-up

Here is more information on the subject.

Transition Regret: Numbers and Reasons | Our Duty

How Many People Regret Transitioning and Why No one knows how many experience transition regret because no one is tracking patients, but there are indications of growing numbers… and the reasons for regret are telling. A detransitioner is someone who identified as trans, nonbinary, or another...

ourduty.group

 

[rjs330]

...do you think that doctors are paid on commission?

Of course they are. If they perform the surgeries they get the money right? The more they do the more they make. They may not make as much money as they make in the US. That's why there are fewer doctors available and social medicine forces the doctors and hospitals to take less money. So, doing more gets them more money.

But they are realizing now that transing the kids is not good. So they are cutting back on it in a number of countries now as they come to realize we the detrimental affects. It just hasn't reached the west yet.

 

[rambot]

The desistance rate are those that didn't go through drugs and surgeries to fulfill their transition. Studies show that most kids desist if not pumped full of drugs or if they did not get any surgeries.

Your cause and effect is muddled.
The psychologists assess someone. That someone gets APPROVED for treatment or that someone does NOT get approved for treatment.
4) When you talk about "desisting" it's not "resisting". It's that the psychologist does not feel it's appropriate for the children to receive treatment and then they help make the kids aware of what they are really feeling. There are SOME children who, after assessment are said to get BENEFIT from the treatment and those are the ones that receive the treatment (hence the regret level of 1%)

5) Studies show that most kids desist, you are correct. But they desist because of appropriate and useful treatment and assessments BEFORE hand.

You seem to believe that if ONLY the kids don't get pumped full of drugs, they would all desist. But that is not hte case. What is happenning is a VERY efficient screening process that is successfully weeding out kids who should not get treatment.

Those that do take the drugs and get surgeries don't desist at the same rate. That tells us that the drugs and surgeries are actually preventing kids for desisting cause it's too late. It tells us that those same kids would most likely desist if not given the drugs or surgeries.

But again, their regret afterwards is at 1%. "the drugs and surgeries" CANNOT prevent kids from desisting "because it's too late". They WANT that and they ARE HAPPY with it.

 

[rjs330]

It absolutely does not tell us that. That's certainly one possible explanation for the trend, but the far more likely explanation is that counseling prevents the vast majority of those who don't need surgery or hormone treatment from getting it. In order for your supposition to be true, you'd first have to demonstrate how the drugs and surgeries would prevent people from desisting. Studies already cover feelings of regret over the transition process, so the idea that it's "too late" isn't relevant.

Yes it does tell us that. That's EXACTLY what it tells us. If all thise kids that were given drugs and surgeries were not, the vast majority of them would deaist if left alone.

 

[rambot]

De-transitioning is growing and previous studies on this idea are deeply flawed. They are extremely misleading.

Misinformation About Regret
Many physicians quote a 1% regret rate. This statistic is based on The Amsterdam Cohort of Gender Dysphoria Study (1972-2015): Trends in Prevalence, Treatment, and Regrets. This study had significant limitations and cannot be used as a baseline for the current cohort:

All study participants were adults and those who had significant pre-pubescent gender dysphoria.
Definition of “regret” excludes most detransitioners. The study included:
ONLY those who had their testes or ovaries removed
ONLY those who resumed natal sex hormones
ONLY those who returned to original medical provider — most don’t inform their original provider that they detransitioned
The study DID NOT INCLUDE:
those who committed suicide or those who died as a result of gender treatment complications
those who regret puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, mastectomy or breast augmentation
20% were lost to follow-up

Here is more information on the subject.

Transition Regret: Numbers and Reasons | Our Duty

How Many People Regret Transitioning and Why No one knows how many experience transition regret because no one is tracking patients, but there are indications of growing numbers… and the reasons for regret are telling. A detransitioner is someone who identified as trans, nonbinary, or another...

ourduty.group

You quoted 1 study.

I shared a meta analysis of many studies. Your source has a bias. Be careful when you use it.

 

[rambot]

Yes it does tell us that. That's EXACTLY what it tells us. If all thise kids that were given drugs and surgeries were not, the vast majority of them would deaist if left alone.

It's closer to them dying by suicide if left alone. At LEAST for those kids who go through the screening process successfully.

 

[rjs330]

Your cause and effect is muddled.
The psychologists assess someone. That someone gets APPROVED for treatment or that someone does NOT get approved for treatment.
4) When you talk about "desisting" it's not "resisting". It's that the psychologist does not feel it's appropriate for the children to receive treatment and then they help make the kids aware of what they are really feeling. There are SOME children who, after assessment are said to get BENEFIT from the treatment and those are the ones that receive the treatment (hence the regret level of 1%)

5) Studies show that most kids desist, you are correct. But they desist because of appropriate and useful treatment and assessments BEFORE hand.

You seem to believe that if ONLY the kids don't get pumped full of drugs, they would all desist. But that is not hte case. What is happenning is a VERY efficient screening process that is successfully weeding out kids who should not get treatment.


But again, their regret afterwards is at 1%. "the drugs and surgeries" CANNOT prevent kids from desisting "because it's too late". They WANT that and they ARE HAPPY with it.

You are so wrong about this. There is NO efficient screening process. That's a flat out lie told by the activists.

All you have to do is some research on the subject. That's why countries are stopping this practice with kids and going more to the counseling aspect that's the drugs and surgeries. Because they are realizing the error of what they have done.

Just read the stories and you will find that the screening process is extremely lacking. Don't b live the lies of the trans activists.

Sex Change Regret | For those who want to return back

Reaching out to people who regret changing genders. People with gender issues need our most profound compassion but they also need the truth so they can live an authentic life.

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Most people including kids are getting only one or two sessions before being declaired transgender. No thought is given to further counseling and helpingbth work through the other issues that play into the problems.

Do not do this to kids!

Do you support doing this to kids?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Of course they are. If they perform the surgeries they get the money right? The more they do the more they make. They may not make as much money as they make in the US. That's why there are fewer doctors available and social medicine forces the doctors and hospitals to take less money. So, doing more gets them more money.

Surgeons are generally on salary. At a private hospital, a skilled surgeon or one who performs a lucrative, in-demand surgery might command a higher salary and/or earn bonuses because he brings more money to the hospital, which is trying to turn a profit and show growth year-over-year. With a state-run hospital, that profit incentive goes away - rather than a private entity (the hospital) charging other private entities (insurers, patients) and the government for care, the government is charging itself, meaning that there is an incentive to reduce costs and not perform unnecessary surgeries.

 

[rjs330]

You are so wrong about this. There is NO efficient screening process. That's a flat out lie told by the activists.

All you have to do is some research on the subject. That's why countries are stopping this practice with kids and going more to the counseling aspect that's the drugs and surgeries. Because they are realizing the error of what they have done.

Just read the stories and you will find that the screening process is extremely lacking. Don't b live the lies of the trans activists.
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You quoted 1 study.

I shared a meta analysis of many studies. Your source has a bias. Be careful when you use it.

Lol your sources are extremely biased and violate most rules of good studies and can't be validated. Do not believe the lies of the trans activists.

 

[rambot]

You are so wrong about this. There is NO efficient screening process. That's a flat out lie told by the activists.

Wow! Colour me shocked! I have worked with the people doing those assessments up here in Canada in the local hospital. THEY were the ones telling me the 80% desist rate.

All you have to do is some research on the subject. That's why countries are stopping this practice with kids and going more to the counseling aspect that's the drugs and surgeries. Because they are realizing the error of what they have done.

Just read the stories and you will find that the screening process is extremely lacking. Don't b live the lies of the trans activists.

"read the stories" plural. And yet I have only EVER read 2 different stories...and the second one I just heard about a couple days ago.

You say to not believe the lies of trans activitists. I don't. I listen to the trans people who TELL me how much happier they are. Here are a bunch of examples of the same thing being told.

Perhaps you'd like to read this little number:
Happiness and Mental Health in Pre-Operative and Post-Operative Transsexual People

Or this:
35 People Who Transitioned On How It Impacted Their Mental Health


What I'm not going to listen to are people who don't even recognize the systems in place (or don't hvae any knowledge about htem) to give a true an accurate representation of what trans people want or need.

 

[rjs330]

Wow! Colour me shocked! I have worked with the people doing those assessments up here in Canada in the local hospital. THEY were the ones telling me the 80% desist rate.

"read the stories" plural. And yet I have only EVER read 2 different stories...and the second one I just heard about a couple days ago.

You say to not believe the lies of trans activitists. I don't. I listen to the trans people who TELL me how much happier they are. Here are a bunch of examples of the same thing being told.

Perhaps you'd like to read this little number:
Happiness and Mental Health in Pre-Operative and Post-Operative Transsexual People

Or this:
35 People Who Transitioned On How It Impacted Their Mental Health


What I'm not going to listen to are people who don't even recognize the systems in place (or don't hvae any knowledge about htem) to give a true an accurate representation of what trans people want or need.

Perhaps you should read this.

Regret Is Not Rare | Sex Change Regret

Look the point is that due to all these issues kids should not be transitioned.

That is the most important point.

What adults decide to do is on them. Even that is a problem as we see with the regret that many of them face, up to 20% and the suicide rates. So, it's not a good idea to do it young. Psychologists have failed these people big time. So has society.

Adults can make adult decisions even if they are bad ones and suffer their own consequences for doing so. Kids on the other hand are dependant on adults to help them.

They need us to be the adult and think beyond the moment. We adults are responsible. We should be acting and thinking like adults and not thinking like teenagers.

Unfortunately, many professionals now view health care—including mental health care—primarily as a means of fulfilling patients’ desires, whatever those are. In the words of Leon Kass, a professor emeritus at the University of Chicago, today a doctor is often seen as nothing more than “a highly competent hired syringe”:

The implicit (and sometimes explicit) model of the doctor-patient relationship is one of contract: the physician—a highly competent hired syringe, as it were—sells his services on demand, restrained only by the law (though he is free to refuse his services if the patient is unwilling or unable to meet his fee). Here’s the deal: for the patient, autonomy and service; for the doctor, money, graced by the pleasure of giving the patient what he wants. If a patient wants to fix her nose or change his gender, determine the sex of unborn children, or take euphoriant drugs just for kicks, the physician can and will go to work—provided that the price is right and that the contract is explicit about what happens if the customer isn’t satisfied.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

If all thise kids that were given drugs and surgeries were not, the vast majority of them would deaist if left alone.

This assertion is based on nothing.

If 100 people go through a screening process and 80 of them decide to drop out for one reason or another, there is absolutely no reason to assume that a significant percentage of the remaining 20 will also drop out.

 

[rjs330]

This assertion is based on nothing.

If 100 people go through a screening process and 80 of them decide to drop out for one reason or another, there is absolutely no reason to assume that a significant percentage of the remaining 20 will also drop out.

Apples and oranges. All things are not equal. If a 100 people think they are trans, but are left alone and 80 of them stop, butbthe other 20 are given drugs and surgery to actually transition them then it's NOT at all the same thing.

If left alone it's reasonable to consider that 80% of the other 20 will also desist. You and others are dooming those kids to a life they would not have pursued if left alone. They are now suffering from being sterilized, having body parts removed and other significant medical conditions. And it's people who think like you that are to blame.

Why are you for transing the kids?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Apples and oranges. All things are not equal. If a 100 people think they are trans, but are left alone and 80 of them stop, butbthe other 20 are given drugs and surgery to actually transition them then it's NOT at all the same thing.

If left alone it's reasonable to consider that 80% of the other 20 will also desist.

I don't see the point of continuing a discussion on statistics with someone who has zero understanding of statistics. I think I'll bow out here. Good day.

 

[rjs330]

I don't see the point of continuing a discussion on statistics with someone who has zero understanding of statistics. I think I'll bow out here. Good day.

Good day. Having a discussion with someone who refuses to see that it's a night and day comparison when considering the difference of intervention vs no intervention is unprofitable.

Why are so many in favor of transing the kids?

 

[rjs330]

With suicide rates being higher after transitioning it makes no sense why we would transition the kids.

There is something very wrong here and I just can't figure it out. What's at play? With more and more people coming forward all the time with regret and suicide rates what is behind this insidious movement?

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden

Context The treatment for transsexualism is sex reassignment, including hormonal treatment and surgery aimed at making the person's body as congruent with the opposite sex as possible. There is a dearth of long term, follow-up studies after sex reassignment. Objective To estimate mortality...

journals.plos.org

https://www.heritage.org/gender/report/puberty-blockers-cross-sex-hormones-and-youth-suicide