Name a doctrine that you used to believe in but dont anymore.

[sonshine234]

Never said Christ was not a man. I was raise as a mormon so it has a meaning you do not understand lest you have been taught the mormon doctrine. I know who Christ is.

To you is Christ God and Man (This is what Christianity has always believed) ?

 

[Scott4Him]

Good topic.

I used to believe that evolution could be compatible with creation- that God might have used evolution to create man. I now understand how incompatible the Bible and evolution are. And yes, I am a YEC now.

I don't know that I was ever KJVO, but I certainly has leanings in that direction. For a time it was the only translation I trusted. I now understand the textual and translation issues better.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

Good topic.

I used to believe that evolution could be compatible with creation- that God might have used evolution to create man. I now understand how incompatible the Bible and evolution are. And yes, I am a YEC now.

My path of realization of what is truth in the context of evolution vs creationism is basically the complete opposite of what you just posted there.

Just wondering, why do you believe that God never used the process of evolution for his plans?

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Here are Five I used to believe:

Spiritual ability (though I held to original sin and total depravity, without the consequence of total inability)
Conditional Election
Universal Atonement
Resistible Grace
Self-Perseverance

It is debatable in some circles as to whether or not these are heretical, historically they were officially rejected and countered by the Synod of Dordt 1618-19, and before that by many others, though perhaps not everyone one of them by a single person. Personally, I consider them erroneous, deformed and not sound, but grudgingly tolerable within the broader scope of Christianity. In other words, there is room for differing views within Christianity, and therefore room enough for error, but only to a certain extent, which God knows. It is not like knowledge and profession of correct views actually saves or has the power to save a person. We tend to have an assumption that those truly saved have that true knowledge, when in truth, here on earth, we Christians are works in progress. God have mercy!

 

[bornofGod888]

I'm aware of your position on this subject, but it doesn't change the fact of what Scripture explicitly states and what Christianity has always taught.

-CryptoLutheran

My "position", as you call it, matches up perfectly with what "the Scripture explicitly states"...even as I documented in the link which I provided. Anytime that you feel up to the challenge to prove otherwise, go for it.

 

[bornofGod888]

You people love to say what Christianity has always taught don't you? What is the earliest SPECIFIC mention of infant baptism? Don't give me the household garbage either, that is ambiguous at best. I want a specific example with a specific date attached to it, so we can all see just how long it has "always been taught".

Some people cannot differentiate between what their church teaches and what "Christianity has always taught", I'm afraid...

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Some people cannot differentiate between what their church teaches and what "Christianity has always taught", I'm afraid...

I'd sure like an ontological explanation of the being of "Christianity" since "taught" is teaching and teaching requires persons or a being to communicate teaching, and "Christianity" is a word used to describe a particular religion with a number of shared beliefs. I'd also like to know it has "always" taught, since Christianity started out as Judaism. The statement is about as precise as many bumper stickers I have read.

 

[bornofGod888]

I'd sure like an ontological explanation of the being of "Christianity" since "taught" is teaching and teaching requires persons or a being to communicate teaching, and "Christianity" is a word used to describe a particular religion with a number of shared beliefs. I'd also like to know it has "always" taught, since Christianity started out as Judaism. The statement is about as precise as many bumper stickers I have read.

Christianity did not start out as Judaism. Christianity began with Jesus Christ, "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8) and this was long before there was ever a nation of Israel or a Jew upon the earth.

 

[Gnarwhal]

Christianity did not start out as Judaism. Christianity began with Jesus Christ, "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8) and this was long before there was ever a nation of Israel or a Jew upon the earth.

So Christ wasn't a rabbi and Peter and John never recorded as going to the temple to worship, is that it?

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Christianity did not start out as Judaism. Christianity began with Jesus Christ, "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8) and this was long before there was ever a nation of Israel or a Jew upon the earth.

One un-precise statement deserves another. The crucifixion though planned from eternity has a date within time, and before the prophesied Messiah, what word would you use to describe the religion of the people of God?

Btw, is Stephen (from the book of Acts) the first person in the Bible referred to as a "Christian"?

 

[bornofGod888]

So Christ wasn't a rabbi and Peter and John never recorded as going to the temple to worship, is that it?

Ask Abraham. After all, he ate with Christ and this was before Jacob was ever born or had his name changed to Israel and way before Israel's fourth son, Judah, was ever born. Btw, Abraham was a Gentile, in case you didn't know.

 

[MoreCoffee]

That doctrine that implies that every moment of every day we're so bad and so disobedient that we sin continually - it may be part of the TOTAL DEPRAVITY mind set.

 

[Scott4Him]

My path of realization of what is truth in the context of evolution vs creationism is basically the complete opposite of what you just posted there.

Just wondering, why do you believe that God never used the process of evolution for his plans?

Briefly,

I became more familiar with what the Bible teaches about creation, and with the theory of evolution. There was no one "aha!" moment.

I'm familiar with the ways people have traditionally tried to reconcile the two.

 

[Thekla]

Not a doctrine per se, but an 'underpinning' belief that sin was entirely a "moral/ethical category" (and thus related to will, cognizance, etc.).

 

[simonthezealot]

To use the words of our Lord, "Have you not read what God hath said?"

It is sad to see so many people who have moved away from the plain reading of scripture, away from the truth of God's word...I think it would do many of you well to go back to the 22nd chapter of 2 Kings... and heed the warning put forth for not obeying the word of God...

"Great is the Lord’s anger that burns against us because those who have gone before us have not obeyed the words of this book; they have not acted in accordance with all that is written there concerning us.”

 

[Tzaousios]

You people love to say what Christianity has always taught don't you? What is the earliest SPECIFIC mention of infant baptism?

"You people" - who is that?

What is the earliest SPECIFIC mention of infant baptism? Don't give me the household garbage either, that is ambiguous at best.

I can only imagine the whining that this will meet with. "That is also garbage"; "That is too late"; "That is too early"; "That does not fit my Restoriationist view of church history," etc.

I want a specific example with a specific date attached to it, so we can all see just how long it has "always been taught".

I am still waiting on that hard archaeological evidence that "proves" Christian mysticism is all subjective feelings and heresy. Where is it?

 

[holyrokker]

Original Sin

 

[holyrokker]

Young Earth Creationism

ditto

 

[Cjwinnit]

Universalism.

 

[MoreCoffee]

... What is the earliest SPECIFIC mention of infant baptism?

That would be in the Acts of the Apostles chapter two where saint Peter, the first pope, says, "Turn back to God! Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will be given the Holy Spirit. This promise is for you and your children. It is for everyone our Lord God will choose, no matter where they live." (Acts 2:38-39) - One hopes that the 'garbage' you do not want to see is not a reference to sacred scripture. In any case, the scripture is about God's promise that is put into effect through repentance and baptism for parents and their children. Truly if the promise is for both the parent and the child then it is effected in the same manner for both, that is, through baptism. And since baptism is a work of God which cleanses one from sins and incorporates one into the body of the Lord, Jesus Christ, then what counts is God's intention in the act of baptism.

Don't give me the household garbage either

It is a little bit disturbing to see your post referring to household baptism as 'garbage' but perhaps it is something else that you intend to call garbage - maybe the doctrine which recognises baptism as an act of God rather than a human act of testimony about having come to personal belief in Jesus Christ and repentance for one's sins?

, that is ambiguous at best. I want a specific example with a specific date attached to it, so we can all see just how long it has "always been taught".

The specific date would be about 33 AD, on the day of Pentecost.